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Author:  madmagician [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:25 am ]
Post subject:  Chapter organization
While I am recovering from a major cut I sustained working on my 'nids, I am starting to do research for my next army, some Ultramarines for my Fiancee' to play. I know the basic Codex organization of the chapter with the 10 companies but what I don;t know is where the support units come into play and how they are assigned. So a few questions to start with

Are the transports for units from a company (Razorbacks, LRs and Rhinos) assigned to the company and do they bear company markings?
What company do Dreds belong to?
What company do bikes belong to? (I recall reading somewhere that they are from the 8th assault company?)
Tactical units that are assigned as support to other companies, do they come from the Reserves or are they considered to be part of the company?
Are Tanks (Preds, spare LRs, Vindicators, Hunters) in their own company? (ie 11th or 12th?)

I am sure there is more I just wanted to get a start on planning my painting.
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
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Are the transports for units from a company (Razorbacks, LRs and Rhinos) assigned to the company and do they bear company markings?


Yes and yes. Except Land Raiders. Most of those are part of the armory (the Chapter Master's personal one will often be assigned to him on a regular basis, for example, and I believe some Captains do have personal ones as well).

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What company do Dreds belong to?


Whatever company they're assigned to - I suspect the companies they were part of in life, but don't quote me on that. Various companies have varying numbers of dreads.

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What company do bikes belong to? (I recall reading somewhere that they are from the 8th assault company?)


Bikes are an alternate deployment method for assault marines - so Battle Companies and the 8th Company can deploy as bikes. Additionally, one of the Tactical Reserve Companies typically fights as Bikes in a Codex Chapter (the other fights as Land Speeders).

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Tactical units that are assigned as support to other companies, do they come from the Reserves or are they considered to be part of the company?


They'd be Reserves (or part of another Battle Company).

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Are Tanks (Preds, spare LRs, Vindicators, Hunters) in their own company? (ie 11th or 12th?)


They're part of the armory, and are assigned on an as-needed basis.
Author:  arkturas [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
One of the Space marine 40k Codices (1998) has a strategic disposition of the Ultramarines as of 6500745.M41.

Rhinos are listed with the company (and some spare in the armoury).
Razorbacks are in the armoury and HQ
LR's are in the armoury but the 1st company and HQ has them as well.
Dreadnoughts are in the company.
Landspeeders, Attack Bikes and Bikes are in any company with assault marines.

Also note if you were to follow a rough approximation of the full list you would be quite short of vehicles apart from rhinos. (Total Chapter disposition of vehicles is listed as 14 Predator Destructors, 11 Predator Anhilators, 8 Vindicators, 9 Whirlwinds, 19 Razorbacks, 31 Dreadnoughts, 22 Attack bikes, 26 Landspeeders, 16 Tornadoes, 19 Typhoons and 21 Landraiders (all variants))
Author:  madmagician [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
Thanks, for all of the information, gentlemen. Now I have another question. Are Thunderchickens always that golden-yellow color with simple chapter insignia on wherever I can find a place on the Mk3 model?
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:45 pm ]
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Nope. They're in Chapter colors, whatever those may be.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:52 pm ]
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Placement of chapter symbols and/or vehicle numbers and/or tactical markings (latter only for Rhinos and Razorbacks) is pretty free.
Author:  madmagician [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
On to power armour I have found references for the Company trim colors, so that is not an issue. But am I correct that:

Terminators - all blue with white helmets
Assault - all blue with white jump packs
Sergeants - all blue with Red helm
Medics - either white with blue shoulders or blue with white arms and backpack
Chaplains - Black with blue trim? or black with blue shoulders?
Librarians - all blue, no trim??
Techmarines - ??
Scouts - White clothes w/ blue armor
Captains - Blue with company colored trim and white or red (company colored??) cape?


TIA
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
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Terminators - all blue with white helmets


Yes. Also, keep in mind that since they're First Company, they don't get a trim color.

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Assault - all blue with white jump packs


Nope. All blue now.

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Sergeants - all blue with Red helm


Indeed.

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Medics - either white with blue shoulders or blue with white arms and backpack


The first is what seems to be standard in the modern era.

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Chaplains - Black with blue trim? or black with blue shoulders?


Black with blue shoulders, basically.

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Librarians - all blue, no trim??


Yup.

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Techmarines - ??


Mechanicus red with blue shoulders.

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Scouts - White clothes w/ blue armor
Captains - Blue with company colored trim and white or red (company colored??) cape?


More or less, yes. The cape's really up to individual taste, though.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
Note: This is only for Ultramarines. Any references to blue (apart from Librarian) are to be changed to the apropiate chapter colour.

Terminators - all blue with white helmets
Corrct. As Terminators have no trim on the shoulder pads they are completely blue. Power armoured Veterans have white helmets and white or silver trim.

Assault - all blue with white jump packs
No. All blue.

Sergeants - all blue with Red helm
Correct. Veteran Sergeants and Terminator Sergeants have a vertical white stripe on the helmet too.

Medics - either white with blue shoulders or blue with white arms and backpack
Always white shoulder pad. The one with the chapter symbol always in chapter colours. Helmets are always white. Rest of the armour is either white or blue.

Chaplains - Black with blue trim? or black with blue shoulders?
All black. Only shoulder pad with chapter symbol is blue (same for Terminator Chaplain). Details in gold and/or bone.

Librarians - all blue, no trim??
All blue. Blue trim colour in case of Ultramarines.

Techmarines - ??
All blue with red helmet and and right shoulder pad. Or all red with blue left choulder pad (the one wit hthe chapter symbol). Silver trim are common.

Scouts - White clothes w/ blue armor
Correct. But camo clothes or off-white are ok too.

Captains - Blue with company colored trim and white or red (company colored??) cape?
Cape is usually red.
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
Try here.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Company
Much other stuff there as well.

I paint marines, rhinos, razorbacks and dreds as each company.
The above link lists who has what alternate light vehicles.
Land Raiders are chapter and 1st company, all other vehicles chapter.

As a further difference all my battle company troops are mk 7 marines and all my reserve companies are MK6's. Likewise I use old rhinos and razorbacks for the reserve companies (and 1str edition rhinos, land raiders and marines for the 1st company).

Unless you are building the whole chapter I would suggest making your regular formations (tac, dev, ass) from the battle companies, bikes from the 6th company and landspeeders from the 7th company.

I prefer the 2th battle company as I like gold trim.

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Author:  jcoplin [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
I know this is an ancient thread but since I'm building out my chapter, does 20 terminators means 20 models, ie 4 stands, or does it mean 20 stands? I know the other numbers are actually doubled. 6 Tactical should actually be 12 stands as squads are typically two fireteams and this makes the Devastators and Assault units work out with the deployment numbers of 4 stands. 40 stands or even 20 stands of Terminators seems like an awful lot given the supposed rarity of the terminator armour suits. On the other hand, 20 Terminators (4 stands or one formation) seems low. Thoughts?

James R. Coplin
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
It means 20 stands (they're squads of five).
Author:  Ulrik [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
I'm pretty sure that no chapter actually has the hundred terminator suits required to field the entire first company in terminator armour, but the actual number varies widely.
Author:  Angel_of_Caliban [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chapter organization
Ulrik wrote:
I'm pretty sure that no chapter actually has the hundred terminator suits required to field the entire first company in terminator armour, but the actual number varies widely.

How Dare you Slight me Sir!

You are correct that MOST 99% Cannot!

However the Emperor's First and Finest can field 100+ Suits of Tactical Dreadnought Amour!

For The Emperor and The Lion!
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