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Author:  Angel_of_Caliban [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:42 pm ]
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In Epic every stand of marines has a missile launcher per the rules. Even tho a tactical detachment is three tactical squads and should have only three heavy weapons. IG have an autocannon per every two stands, why are marines different? I can understand if its a balance issue and what not since special weapons are noted either but I just wanted to know how ppl modeled them. This question/topic/idea also pertains to devastators as well.
Author:  vytzka [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:51 pm ]
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Since it has never been adequately explained why Marines actually get one ML shot per stand, and official excuses ranged from "you can do that with current marine dex" (not anymore) to "Marines are too awesome and can get two shots off in time those Imperial Guard lame-os manage one" (my favorite), I, being a Codex Astartes-humping Imperial Fist player at heart, model them in Codex formation, that is, four marines and ML on one stand and four marines and a Sargeant on another.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:54 pm ]
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Quote: 

"Marines are too awesome and can get two shots off in time those Imperial Guard lame-os manage one" (my favorite)


This is the explaination that makes sense to me.
Author:  vytzka [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:57 pm ]
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Well then it's not entirely clear why Devastators then only get two shots per stand and not four, but there you go.

It just causes the least headache.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:05 pm ]
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Quote: (vytzka @ Sep. 25 2009, 15:57 )

Well then it's not entirely clear why Devastators then only get two shots per stand and not four, but there you go.

It just causes the least headache.

Actually, isn't there a quote somewhere from Jervis saying he statted the Marine infantry according to what was the 'tournament standard' in 40k at the time?

So Terminators got 2x Assault Cannons because that was the standard, and Marine squads got 1 missile launcher per 5 men because that was what was being taken in tournies at the time.
Author:  hello_dave [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:07 pm ]
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Indeed, I think it's an abstraction (of sorts) and an example of the compromises that need to be made from time to time in order to make a list that's fun for Epic, rather than a 1/5 (ish) exact replica of it's  40k counterpart.
Author:  Dave [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:07 pm ]
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The explanation that Jervis gave was the former. You used to be able to take them as combat squads in 40k, and as most people did that we have 1 ML per stand.
Author:  vytzka [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:17 pm ]
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ Sep. 25 2009, 18:05 )

Quote: (vytzka @ Sep. 25 2009, 15:57 )

Well then it's not entirely clear why Devastators then only get two shots per stand and not four, but there you go.

It just causes the least headache.

Actually, isn't there a quote somewhere from Jervis saying he statted the Marine infantry according to what was the 'tournament standard' in 40k at the time?

So Terminators got 2x Assault Cannons because that was the standard, and Marine squads got 1 missile launcher per 5 men because that was what was being taken in tournies at the time.

He did, that was the first option in my first post. That's, however, not how it is in the fluff, and it's now impossible by the rules too.

(God knows how I miss those sweet, sweet double assault cannon Terminator squads! :sad: )
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:18 pm ]
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***shakes fist at 40k tourney types ruining Epic***
Author:  vytzka [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:19 pm ]
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Wouldn't... wouldn't Jervis be the 40k tourney type ruining Epic here? :grin:
Author:  BlackLegion [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:25 pm ]
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Imho the typical turney Tactical Squad was the LasPlas Squad. 5 Marines, one with Lascannon and one with Plasmagun.
Author:  vytzka [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:28 pm ]
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Six, actually - you wanted even numbers for your squads every time ;)
Author:  GlynG [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:31 pm ]
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I'd actually like to change them to being 1 shot per 2 stands as they should be myself. Silly then W40k tournament tendencies to take 5 man squads ruining the Codex Astartes, have they no shame!

Coincide that with a large enough points drop to make Tacticals worthwhile still and infact hopefully also become a bit better and more taken choice in the list, rather than the poor mans choice compared to rare elites like Warhounds, Terminators, ect - two birds with one stone and that.

250 or 225 points for a half-shot Tactical detachment anyone? Can't see it happening but in an ideal world I'd like it to.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:36 pm ]
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I can see 250pts as being a good price for half-shot Tacticals.
Author:  vytzka [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:39 pm ]
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I don't like "phantom" weapons, like with Imperial Guard dividing the number of stands by two. If you want to do it right, you should actually have "Tactical formation: 3 ML tactical stands, 3 Sargeant tactical stands (3+ CC or something)" so you can get them into base contact properly, Sniper them, etc.

But it's not worth the trouble.
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