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| Author: | Hojyn [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Why not drop the Multi-melta (it's only an option in the latest 40K codex) and give the Crusader FF4+? Land Raider Crusader AV - 25 cm Arm. 4+ CC5+ FF4+ Frag Launchers (contact)/(Assault Weapons) 2 x Hurricane Bolters (15cm)/(Small Arms), EA (+1) Twin Assault Cannon 30 cm/AP4+/AT4+ This, together with its augmented Transport capacity, would give it a very distinctive role (solid troop carrier providing monster FF support). If 3xFF4+ attacks are deemed too strong, then either leave the Crusader at FF5+ or make the Hurricane Bolters give only 1 Extra Attack in total. But I kind of like this profile with 3xFF4+ attacks, at 100 points per LR Crusader I think it would be OK. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Leaving the Multi-melta off would be a good idea. Tjuis pintle-mounted thing did only give headaches  To even more simplify the profile how about this?: Land Raider Crusader AV - 25 cm Arm. 4+ CC5+ FF4+ Frag Launchers (contact)/(Assault Weapons) Hurricane Bolter System (15cm)/(Small Arms), EA (+2) Twin Assault Cannon 30 cm/AP4+/AT4+ Notes: Reinforced Armour, Thick Rear Armour, Transport (may carry 2 Terminator unit OR 3 of the following units: Tactical, Devastator & Scout) |
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| Author: | Pulsar [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
I've been using the Crusader for a while now and in some situations it is a bit powerful in it's current form, i've found that as a transport is very good, so yes i'd be fine with losing the Multi-Melta from the stats but i don't think FF 4+ is needed 3 FF 5+ attacks is good enough. there is one problem for me with this change i've got 4 made and half painted Crusaders with a pintle Multi-meltas that i took along time making  oh well !!
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| Author: | zombocom [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Currently the crusader is definately the superior choice to the normal LR because of the enhanced transport capacity. Reducing it to 3xFF5+ with no macro seems a sensible nerf. |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Quote: (Hena @ 25 Apr. 2009, 15:05 ) Ok we all agree at least that the ranged shot needs to go, good  . I'm not sure though that the MW assault shot needs to go. It does lose 1-2 4+ ranged shots (depending on target). Those shots are quite powerful. But a 3 unit transport capacity is more powerful, since you end up having to spend less points to transport formations. |
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| Author: | Pulsar [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
i've found the transport capacity is the good thing like Zombo says, using 2 LD crusaders as transport upgrades for large Crusader formations (i.e. 8-12 units)with a few Razorbacks is a good way for BT to ground pound or with Sword Brethern using THT's to get on to the enemys half of the table, so taking off the MW is a good idea, it'll lower the damage these formations can do. But without the MW i don't think the formation of just LR Crusaders will be as good as it is now, this could be a good thing i'm not sure. so my question is: without the MW is the LR Crusader still worth 100 points? |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Quote: (Pulsar @ 25 Apr. 2009, 17:08 ) so my question is: without the MW is the LR Crusader still worth 100 points? As an upgrade? Definately. As its own formation? Probably not. |
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| Author: | CAL001 [ Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Good to see LR Crusaders still being dicussed and developed. A question for Pulsar, what ever happened to the sponsons you where working on to make the LR Crusaders? Cheers Aaron |
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| Author: | Pulsar [ Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Quote: (CAL001 @ 26 Apr. 2009, 02:00 ) Good to see LR Crusaders still being dicussed and developed. A question for Pulsar, what ever happened to the sponsons you where working on to make the LR Crusaders? Cheers Aaron Errr do you mean this:  I'll put some more bad photo's up in this thread |
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| Author: | Hojyn [ Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Quote: (BlackLegion @ 25 Apr. 2009, 13:08 ) To even more simplify the profile how about this?: Land Raider Crusader AV - 25 cm Arm. 4+ CC5+ FF4+ Frag Launchers (contact)/(Assault Weapons) Hurricane Bolter System (15cm)/(Small Arms), EA (+2) Twin Assault Cannon 30 cm/AP4+/AT4+ Notes: Reinforced Armour, Thick Rear Armour, Transport (may carry 2 Terminator unit OR 3 of the following units: Tactical, Devastator & Scout) Looks good to me, although leaving it at FF5+ may be a better solution. 3xFF4+ attacks are probably too good. |
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| Author: | Flogus [ Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
The 12 bolters of the Hurricane sponsons represents about the same firepower than 2 Tactical stands. So 2 FF4+ for Hurricane bolters and 1 FF4+ for assault cannons seem not too much. |
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| Author: | Pulsar [ Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | LR Crusader |
Quote: (Flogus @ 26 Apr. 2009, 18:41 ) The 12 bolters of the Hurricane sponsons represents about the same firepower than 2 Tactical stands. So 2 FF4+ for Hurricane bolters and 1 FF4+ for assault cannons seem not too much. yes in fluff terms 3 FF 4+ would make sence but not for 100 points and with the armour that the LR has with that FF you'd have to up the cost |
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