Why not drop the Multi-melta (it's only an option in the latest 40K codex) and give the Crusader FF4+?

Land Raider Crusader
AV - 25 cm
Arm. 4+
CC5+
FF4+

Frag Launchers (contact)/(Assault Weapons)
2 x Hurricane Bolters (15cm)/(Small Arms), EA (+1)
Twin Assault Cannon 30 cm/AP4+/AT4+

This, together with its augmented Transport capacity, would give it a very distinctive role (solid troop carrier providing monster FF support).

If 3xFF4+ attacks are deemed too strong, then either leave the Crusader at FF5+ or make the Hurricane Bolters give only 1 Extra Attack in total. But I kind of like this profile with 3xFF4+ attacks, at 100 points per LR Crusader I think it would be OK.

Leaving the Multi-melta off would be a good idea. Tjuis pintle-mounted thing did only give headaches

To even more simplify the profile how about this?:

Land Raider Crusader
AV - 25 cm
Arm. 4+
CC5+
FF4+

Frag Launchers (contact)/(Assault Weapons)
Hurricane Bolter System (15cm)/(Small Arms), EA (+2)
Twin Assault Cannon 30 cm/AP4+/AT4+

Notes: Reinforced Armour, Thick Rear Armour, Transport (may carry 2 Terminator unit OR 3 of the following units: Tactical, Devastator & Scout)

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I've been using the Crusader for a while now and in some situations it is a bit powerful in it's current form, i've found that as a transport is very good, so yes i'd be fine with losing the Multi-Melta from the stats but i don't think FF 4+ is needed 3 FF 5+ attacks is good enough.

there is one problem for me with this change i've got 4 made and half painted Crusaders with a pintle Multi-meltas that i took along time making oh well !!

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Currently the crusader is definately the superior choice to the normal LR because of the enhanced transport capacity. Reducing it to 3xFF5+ with no macro seems a sensible nerf.

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But a 3 unit transport capacity is more powerful, since you end up having to spend less points to transport formations.

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i've found the transport capacity is the good thing like Zombo says, using 2 LD crusaders as transport upgrades for large Crusader formations (i.e. 8-12 units)with a few Razorbacks is a good way for BT to ground pound or with Sword Brethern using THT's to get on to the enemys half of the table, so taking off the MW is a good idea, it'll lower the damage these formations can do.

But without the MW i don't think the formation of just LR Crusaders will be as good as it is now, this could be a good thing i'm not sure.

so my question is: without the MW is the LR Crusader still worth 100 points?

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As an upgrade? Definately. As its own formation? Probably not.

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Good to see LR Crusaders still being dicussed and developed. A question for Pulsar, what ever happened to the sponsons you where working on to make the LR Crusaders?

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Errr do you mean this:



I'll put some more bad photo's up in this thread

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Looks good to me, although leaving it at FF5+ may be a better solution. 3xFF4+ attacks are probably too good.

The 12 bolters of the Hurricane sponsons represents about the same firepower than 2 Tactical stands. So 2 FF4+ for Hurricane bolters and 1 FF4+ for assault cannons seem not too much.

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yes in fluff terms 3 FF 4+ would make sence but not for 100 points and with the armour that the LR has with that FF you'd have to up the cost

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