Things have died so here is the last list I've got on file.

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Nice. But i would drop the non-Ravenwing Bikes, Attack Bikes and Land Speeders.

And why the Plasmaweapons? Apart that no such thing exist like a Heavy Plasma Gun (whichhas the same stats as the Plasma Cannonon your Deathwing Dreadnought which has the same stats as an Assault Cannon). There are only Pasmaguns and Plasma Cannons.

The Funny Scout Transport is the Land Speeder Storm. Same as Land Speeder but with Heavy Bolter and can transport s single Scout unit. It has some gadets which hampers enemy Deep Strikes and gives a bonus in close combat.

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really is that an earlier draft? It should say Mk2 Plasma Cannon.

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It cleary says Heavy Plasma Gun.

And a Mk2 Plasma Cannon? Heresy! Does the Adeptus Mechanicum know?

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Kill the non-ravenwing fast attack stuff ; It doesn't matter what you believe, the only thing that matters is that the Dark Angels don't have non-ravenwing fast attack units.

Rationalise it like this if you like:

Most chapters' fast attack troops split their time between using Jump Packs, flying Land Speeders, or driving bikes, they are generalists.

The Dark Angels have a preference for letting their Fast Attack guys specialise on a particular vehicle type (Bike or Speeder) and thus get slightly better at using their chosen vehicle.


Heavy Plasma Gun

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And have you looked at my V2.3 Dark Angels Army List?

Ok perhabs i should drop Leader from the Ravenwing units.

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I'm with E&C, the Dark Angels might even have non-Ravenwing Bikes and Speeders but they don't matter since they wouldn't show up in an Epic list otherwise the Dark Angels may as well just use the Codex list.

For Plasma Cannons you can use the stats in Raiders (30cm AP5+/AT5+) rather than the slow-firing ones.

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Refering to post 4 its an earlier draft. If you study the document closly you will see one instance got changed and not the other. I will soon when I am on the right computer re-do it so the plasma weapon no longer confuses people. For now assume its x and has 30cm AP5+/AT5+

Kill the non-ravenwing fast attack stuff ; It doesn't matter what you believe, the only thing that matters is that the Dark Angels don't have non-ravenwing fast attack units.

Rationalise it like this if you like:

Most chapters' fast attack troops split their time between using Jump Packs, flying Land Speeders, or driving bikes, they are generalists.

The Dark Angels have a preference for letting their Fast Attack guys specialise on a particular vehicle type (Bike or Speeder) and thus get slightly better at using their chosen vehicle.

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Okay so why is it that the Deathwing get better Terminators?

The answer is that like the Ravenwing, they are qualitatively better.

Kill the non-ravenwing fast attack units, because if you don't, you're just making up your own army, one which isn't the Dark Angels.

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I am with TRC on this one. Ravenwing got their ûber bikers from normal assault marines. They get their über termies from normal marines, when they are über enough, they give them termie armour. Just like everybody else does with their elites.

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Yes, and your earlier attempts were a lot better BL, I think you just got carried away by 40k You'll note this is quite similar to one of your earlier set of ideas.

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I'd point out that this is to represent a preferred fighting style/force org (or two or three), not necessarily every way that the DAs take to the battlefield.  Of course, the DA have normal bikers and speeders.  However, when deploying in a characteristically "Dark Angel Style" the Ravenwing would be filling that role while the non-elite troops were doing other stuff.

As to the list... why would anyone ever take Speeders?  Attack bikes have the same speed, same armor, same LV status, same firepower and notably better assault.  The speeders gain Skimmer, but pop-up with 15cm range is effectively useless so the only benefit is a slight move advantage and the ability to force FF.  Neither of those advantages exist if you mix them with non-skimmer units.  

The MWFF with the Twin Bolters Small Arms entry on the Attack Bike is going to confuse someone.

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I would have thought that was quite simple.

Marines - Veterins - Terminators
Terminators - fanatical holy warriors
Deathwing - fanatical holy warriors who face excommunication

Marines - fast attack
Marines - fast attack - specialise become Ravenwing (something other chapters don't do)

Kill the non-ravenwing fast attack units, because if you don't, you're just making up your own army, one which isn't the Dark Angels.

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On a similar note why have Land Raiders and Deathwing Land Raiders?

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In a different vien are all Dark Angels Dreadnoughts Deathwing? Common sense would surely indicate they are, yet I've seen 'green' dreds.

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