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Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:00 pm 
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Vindicator.
There has been no gaming with this, so I don't have enough data to change it. The speed was modded as no one opposes that and cost dropped to go with Predators.


I would prefer that your full list of changes to the Vindicator be put forwards, rather than a half-hearted attempt which will not result in a usable tank.

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Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:02 pm 
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Then I suggest 250pts instead of 275pts.

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I've tested the Vindicator at 25cm, no other changes, several times (in Pred formations and with Assault Marines) and it seems to do quite well.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:21 pm 
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I think that list is pretty spot on in scope and scale at this stage

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 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:04 pm 
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I agree with you changes Hena, its what most of us have been play for a long time now. I would like to see the Land Raider/ Tornado Upgrades make it into the list. It is a change I think is warranted and would make these upgrades more widely used.

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 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:49 pm 
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Land Raider upgrade and Tornado.
Again there is little of comments here. I don't want to see two non-25 mods here so unless Tornado can be changed (either to free or 25 cost with FF4+), I'm not suggesting to drop the LR upgrade cost to 85.


I'd prefer to see Tornados for free.

Land Raiders... they're another issue, and if they're really only worth 85pts, they rather highlight the overcosting of the other Marine tanks, IMHO.

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 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:42 pm 
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As Steve54 said; just about spot on - - - - with the exception that I would encourage you to to include the Dreadnought changes.

While not absolutely essential and minimalist, I believe the change is justified because of the iconic status of the unit, and is needed to pursuade players to re-consider putting Dreadnoughts in their rightfull place at the front of assaults or to bolster the defence of vital positions.

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CAL001
 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:07 am 
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Hena, Free Tornado and 85 point LR is my vote.

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 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:39 pm 
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(Hena @ May 01 2008,05:58)
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175 for 2 (cannot use 5 points), 275 for 3 (cannot use 20 points) and 350 for 4 (cannot use 10 points).

Does anyone buy *single* Land Raiders for a formation?  Isn't it normally two or four?

Why not make it Land Raiders: 2 for 175 points or 4 for 350?  Then it's in easy increments of 25.

Has *anyone* purchased *3* Land Raiders for a Terminator detachment?

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 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:00 pm 
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(Chroma @ May 01 2008,06:39)
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Does anyone buy *single* Land Raiders for a formation? ?Isn't it normally two or four? ...

Well, I don't know how commonly it is done, but taking a single land raider would not prevent a detachment (lets say, some devastators) from garrisoning. I don't know if a LR is the best use of the single "fast" slot a garrison detachment is allowed, but it isn't a terrible choice in any event.
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 Post subject: Marine Tournament changes, a proposal
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:47 pm 
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I'm for the Tornado and Landraider point cost changes.

As well as for the Scouts, for fluff reasons and that small sniper units are fun to play with.

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