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Scion of Iron
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:06 pm 
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I tried to assemble a list for the scions (I like tanks...the more the better but we all know the nemesis of Marine tanks :;): )

Some thoughts:

Speeders are the only unit which does not use the 25 pts upgrade.

Proposal:
let them buy them in pairs
2 Speeders: 75
2 Tornado: 100
2 Typhoon: 125

5 pts up or down are not that big deal but make the list mor easy to compose.

SC is way to expensive:
you are paying over 200 pts (in summary) for a command land raider with SC ability. in 3k thaths nearly 8% of the total list price while others get them for free.

At least allow them as an upgrade for Infantry or other tanks to spare out the special tank.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:41 pm 
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If you don?t want to give it non vehicle, allow the SC upgrade to vehicles without taking a prometheus. (no miniature available, and I don?t want to scrap build a new one only to field a SC as it is the only option.)

Use up a blister of speeders does not really work in the regular marine list. I don?t see the point why it should work with the scions list at all cost. But it?s your idea, so I will not quarrel about it. :)




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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:51 pm 
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pairwise costs for speeders, eighter 2 or 4. If the formation grows too large,. take 2, else allow 4. I think this could be a simple but effective solution.

@hena: correct. As i understand do you replace the other vehicle by a prometheus tank. So I have no other option than to build one if I want to include a SC.




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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:56 pm 
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(Hena @ Dec. 05 2007,11:55)
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Forge should do one :D.

hehe I agree :D

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:44 pm 
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For the SC why not make it an option. Like this:

"0-1 Supreme Commander. Add 1 Supreme Commander (Whatever name you wanna give them) character upgrade to any vehicle in the formation for +100 points. OR add one Land Raider Prometheus to the formation for +185 points."

Maybe move the Prometheus up to 200 points, to account for the larger unit size. But this way you get away from the varying cost depending on what you added it to. You could just give the Prometheus the Supreme Commander ability with a note that it can be used to activate any formations rather then just the local ones.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:09 pm 
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I don't think it'd be a big issue. Honestly I might suggest allowing you to just take a basic Supreme Commander not requiring him to be in a vehicle if you don't want him to be potentially. There's few enough infantry stands that I doubt people will field him on foot that often. But the principle of allowing just a character upgrade if you want it is good I think.

Overall I really like this list quite a bit, I think it's very cool, and I have the stuff needed to field a pretty neat (IMHO) army with it! Dig the variant Thunderhawks for sure.
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Ilushia
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:24 pm 
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Well, I should have a chance to get a game in this sunday centered around lots of Land Raiders! Not sure it'll be remotely useful or not, though!  :laugh:

If you wanna see the list, feel free to PM me or something. Would love any advice, really, though I've got rather limited model selection right now, other then tons of Land Raiders anyway!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:49 am 
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(Hena @ Dec. 05 2007,19:16)
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Oh for list theme reasons, SC needs to be in a tank. If there was a model for Prometheus, I would not allow him to be outside of it. But as there isn't a model, I'm willing to compromise a bit on that :D.

For the record I'd probably like to see him able to go in some other vehicle than Prometheus, but still restricted to vehicle as you say. Maybe just allowing it as an upgrade to some of the Land Raider variants?

I'll be playing a game soon, but trying to get figures finished first.

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He should at least be able to be added to any Land Raider in the force, IMHO. So we're not forced to buy a Prometheus. If it weren't for the ever-expanding list of options for taking him I might suggest that you allow the option of either adding a Prometheus or replacing a tank with the Prometheus or just taking him alone!  :laugh:

As an editing error (I think) the Hunter stats in this list are lacking the AT shot they get. Hunters are already pretty horrible for their cost, let's not make them even worse, please? >.>
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:58 am 
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(Ilushia @ Dec. 06 2007,01:54)
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As an editing error (I think) the Hunter stats in this list are lacking the AT shot they get. Hunters are already pretty horrible for their cost, let's not make them even worse, please? >.>

Yeah I'm assuming it's just a typo. I'll be using the list with all Neal's mods in any case. Like Hena says he intends it to be useable with both the original rules and the revisions I think.

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