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(Evil and Chaos @ Aug. 14 2007,07:31)
QUOTE Yeah, Blarg did that. And that put Vindie in rather good situation.
After our analysis, Blarg has changed his mind and now believes the Vindicator is significantly underpowered.
No, I didn't say that. And considering your penchant for twisting words and meanings in an effort to get the result you want I'd appreciate it if you never paraphrase me again. You can directly quote me, but don't speak for me again.
I did a revised analysis and changed my opinion that the Vindicator would be equal to the Predators, which everybody up to this point say are worth the same number of points, if the speed were to be increased from a 20cm move to a 30cm move. ?Let me say that again:
In my opinion the Vindicator will be corrected if its speed is increased from a 20cm move to a 30cm move.
I haven't done anything further regarding the Vindicator for a couple of different reasons. ?First, I really like the idea of commonizing the Vindicator with all of the other Rhino chassis based variants because it is clean and simple. ?I haven't evaluated the "speed 25cm / Walker special ability" idea because I don't have a way to assign a value to the Walker special ability. ?I haven't compared any version of the Vindicator to Devastators, Land Speeders or anything comparable because there are too many variables that I just can't put a value on. ?My system is a way for comparing firepower between groups of weapons, so I keep comparisons to items that have the same unit type, speed, armor save, CC, FF. ?(I have factors for speed and FF, the factor for FF I am reasonably sure of while the factor for speed has yet to be confirmed.) Comparing infantry and armored vehicles is, in my opinion, not a good idea because you can't adequately account for the different rules that apply to INF and AV - you are comparing apples and oranges.
The re-evaluation of the Vindicator prompted me to review my analysis of several IG vehicles and AMTL titan weapons. ?When I re-ran the numbers for the LRuss Demolisher it went from being superior to the basic LRuss to worse than the basic LRuss. ?This forced me to re-evaluate the idea of improving the Demolisher Cannon so that the LRuss Demolisher would be equal to the basic LRuss.
In the process of doing that re-evaluation I also fine-tuned the calculations for all of the other LRuss variants (Conquerer, Destroyer, Eliminator, Executioner, etc.) and found a lot of them to be lacking compared to the basic LRuss. ?This bothers me because I would like to see all LRuss variants to be equal with the basic one so players can swap out variations at will in an effort for simplicity. ?For the IG army list that we will be using in our group I'm leaning towards having the Vanquisher being more points than the basic LRuss, having one or two of the variants being equal in points to the basic LRuss, and having all of the others being worth ~80% of the basic LRuss at 200 points.
I do not support the idea of changing the stats for the Demolisher Cannon. ?I think doing so will have too great of an impact on all of the vehicles that use it and the ripple effect through the rest of the army will just make things worse.
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I shot a Deathstrike Missile and destroyed an enemy titan in my pajamas last night. ?How it got into my pajamas I still don't know...
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could you please open your mathematics to us, because I cannot compare your results with mine and so cannot share your opinion. But I?m eager to learn