Yes. To keep the cost of the characters down we ditched the Invulnerable Save and kept Fearless.

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So im contemplating the purchase of a deathwing based army, and thought this thread would be a interesting read, and i was kind of bummed about the assualt terminators, considering all of them are armed with power weapons, how do the generate regular attacks ant not 2 x MW in CC ?
Before reading my inital thoughts is id be seeing cc +3 MW, MW+1 (EA).
I have read the thread and im curious as to how losing your entire FF value ( which makes sense BTW as they have no shooty bits ) to gain +1 CC makes sense.
Not trying to necromaner up a old issue, im just wondering

A: what the main reason for having a normal attack is ? ( points value ? )
B: where do they come from considering all the CC termis have Thunder hammers or Lighting claws, or Power weapons ?

again not wanting to start anything just curious, as i really like the idea of Deathwing but dont want to invest in a army if its not something ill enjoy playing in a gaming sense
Also to me it seems to make sense that the landraiders would have homer beacons in them to, teleporting in to support your fellow Terminators ?

Ok now i digress haha

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i would say there is a good chane were ar using the same blue wolf models ?
And that is half the reason for my queries, i want to hash out the lsit before i purchase so i dont end up with redundant CC termis etc.
I have actually just posted on on your Eldar titan clan list in the appropriate thread
It seems we have simalar tastes haha

In regards to the Homer beacons, prior to reading the thread again i would have thought it might have just been a special rule that allows for the re roll of 1's with out the restrictions of having to be in proxomity to the bikes / speeders. I can understand why they have that but it also personally for me "forces" you to take raven guard to play deathwing, which is something i dont like.
For me it should be a open choice to play pure deathwing and not suffer the loss of the homer beacons. but i know people like fluff haha.
I like the idea of termis beaming in and just bashing stuff, but thats just me hehe.


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Firstly, there's no reason why you can't hash out a list using standard termie models to represent Assault terminators to see how they perform. Secondly, the stats are the stats for now.... There's absolutely no reason they can't be changed in the future if they're shown to be bad stats. The problem, however, is if folks are keen to play a certain style of army but never play it because it doesn't fit their views on that army, then the army is going to stagnate and they'll never get to play it because the army is not going to change in any hurry. It's a catch 22 situation.

Basically, play it regardless of whether it currently doesn't fit your wants/needs and let people know about it in a report to show why.

Change needs a driver. That's sounds like you

Oh your such a Diplomat Dobbsy haha
but you make 2 very good points, and it is defenitly worth running trial lists with both stat variants.
Watch this space for reports / feedback

Nice work

Please explain the Land Speeder part of the list to me though.
The Ravenwing Support choice gives you five Land Speeders with a 30cm AP5+ attack as oopsed to 15cm MW5+ attack, for the same price in the regular marine list. This seems like a clear downgrade to me. The list doesn't have access to titans, so don't they need some MW firepower to respond to heavy armoured targets?
The regular marines can then upgrade all Landspeeders to Tornadoes for free. This cost 25 points for the DA and no typhoon upgrade choice.

Theese things strikes me as odd in a Chapter that is very big on speeders.

The Tempest sound like an interesting idea. I take it it hasn't made it intro the list yet, as i can't find it anywhere.

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Would it fit?
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Conversion beam version arguably fits on the whole "lots o' relics" angle.

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Interesting:
Mortis Pattern Contemptor Dreadnoughts now have the Skyfire rule. So they are now short ranged walking Hydras
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Not sure how it would work. "Skyfire when Stationary" - You'd have to be on Sustain to really emulate stationary in Epic.

The Whirlwind Hyperios is NOT the Whirlwind.
The Whirlwind is armed with a Whirlwind Launcher (Artillery).
The Whirlwind Hyperios is armed with a Hyperios Launcher (AA).

@Dobbsy: Stopping often on the move would translate as a slow speed in Epic.
The Contemptor has Fleet in Wh40k which could give it 20cm move in Epic, so the Mortis Contemptor could have Speed 15cm.

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