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Marine Suggestions
The_Real_Chris	Post subject: Marine Suggestions Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:04 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:45 pm Posts: 8139 Location: London	Quote (Honda @ 01 June 2006 (18:13)) Very impressive effort and I would be willing to support your proposed changes. I must confese it was the work of 10 minutes updating a year old file (now I'm in the UK I have access to all the drivel I've jotted down over the years). I would like to see the proposed Thunderhawk Interceptor come in at something less than 200 pts, perhaps suitable stats to get to a 150 pt unit would be nice. You can't use the current stats and have it cost less than 300. Initially it was tested at 200 as a straight transport/fighter swap and ruled the sky. The models were differentiated in a cunning fashion - Thunderhawks with legs got to be transports, Thunderhawks without got to be fighter-bombers. One suggestion: Land Speeder Tornados really ought to have FF4+.

I have never ever used them or seen them used. So can't comment

I think the LRs are too cheap at 75 and Vindicators too cheap at 50.  That's not to say I think they are necessarily worth a full 100/75, just that 75/50 is too cheap.

Note its not the formation - but the upgrade. Would you say 650 for 4 terminators and 4 Land Raiders is too much or too less? Or 400 for 4 devs and 2 land raiders too much to less? I've tried it a bit and its seems fair.

A comparison would be the Defiler (75 points for that?!). As a formation its worth far more than as an upgrade. Here the LR would be 375 for a formation of 4, but 300 to add to terminators. It forms 2 composite units (erminators and Devestators), both of which are good but small and expensive.

The terminator formation also got a bit of testing in the white scars list, though I only saw 'em used once. There the terminator/land raider combo is 675 points.

I think you have to see/try 'em with the formations they are bought for, I couldn't find any significant problems (but I was playing against Guard a lot).

The vindicator one I admit has had 1 1/2 tests so could indeed be too cheap. The specialist nature makes it hard to evaluate or even include. Certainly 2 extra 4+ ATSKNF vindicators for a 100 points is good - but is it better than 4 Razorbacks?

The Thawk interceptor (as you noted) is something I object to.  They're just not that maneuverable in any stuff I've read.  Don't like relying on the IN for support?  Tough.  The SMs got all their spiffy toys taken away from them after the Heresy precisely so they DO have to rely on the IN.

They are however fighters in BFG. And as fools seldom differ they have also turned up in the Black Templars list (as the chap has realised that without some sort of interceptor you can be in trouble).

They are fast. What i was thinking of when I first was trying it out is the Mig-25. Assembled by blind drunk Russian grandmothers with rivet guns it nonetherless went like a bat outta hell. Shot down an F-18 in '91 too. Basic doctorin was fly to target, one attack, bug out top speed.

With turreted weapons it gets some firepower coverage in the wierd world of 41st millenium air combat. Otherwise as something that can boost to orbit, then act as an interceptor in space (which has to be all about thrust surely) its got to have a fair turn of speed. Enough for an interception perhaps.