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Transports for Dreadnoughts
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:44 am 
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   The engines in my mind are placed forward of the transport compartment.
   
  I had two problems with the dread; the most obvious was I had to cut the arm to fit and I had to glue the dread in place. I tried to have one with a base but it didn't fit. Its possible but it needs more work. I'll get you a pic of the rear soon.

   As for mass producing it, I'm still not satisfied with it yet. Once I got it down it's a possibility but don't hold your breathe  :cool:
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:44 am 
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Good looking MK.2 LR(t) ! :D

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:46 am 
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Here is a shot of the rear.....
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:13 am 
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Both are grand, Centurion - I'd keep both versions in fact, as variants of the same vehicle. Nice work on the bolter too :) :) :)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:00 pm 
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(Ginger @ Oct. 12 2007,17:11)
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Finally, are you going to mass produce the things for others like Blarg who no doubt are just beside themselves in anticipation :p

Don't bother making any for me, because this is not what I was looking for as a solution.

It is nice to see you guys take up the idea of a specialized Land Raider variant to transport dreadnoughts.  Maybe this is a group admission that the problem with dreadnoughts is their mobility???

Anyway, I always figured that the best way to handle transporting dreadnoughts would be to keep it simple game-wise and let the "nuts and bolts" details be left as details to be ignored.  All we should care about is the game and keep it simple.  As long as the laws of nature are not being broken whole-sale I'd leave the "how is it done" to the shadows.

To keep it simple game-wise I would just simply say that Land Raiders may transport Dreadnoughts.  No variants, no modifying of miniatures, no new vehicle stats, only a small note change on the Land Raider.

In regard to details, I would suggest that the dreadnought would be carried on its back, resting in a cradle, in the troop bay.  When it would come time to deploy the dreadnought a telescoping track-and-roller system, similar to what some desk drawers have, would move the cradled dreadnought out of the Land Raider.  Then the device would rotate the cradle so that the dreadnought would move into a standing position.  Voila, deployed dreadnought!

Centurion, I appreciate the work that you have done and the time you have taken to post pictures.  Please keep up the good work.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:19 pm 
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It is nice to see you guys take up the idea of a specialized Land Raider variant to transport dreadnoughts.  Maybe this is a group admission that the problem with dreadnoughts is their mobility???


Not really, it's a couple of guys having fun with house rules.

To keep it simple game-wise I would just simply say that Land Raiders may transport Dreadnoughts.

Dreadnoughts don't even begin to fit inside the transport bay of a Land Raider, either scale of the game.

In Epic, a modern Dreadnought's shoulders are as wide as the Land Raider itself (And only ~70% of a Land Raider's width is in its transport bay).


Square peg, round hole, find a different solution.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:26 pm 
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How about a a tow rope and skids under the dread :p

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(Evil and Chaos @ Oct. 15 2007,09:19)
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To keep it simple game-wise I would just simply say that Land Raiders may transport Dreadnoughts.


Dreadnoughts don't even begin to fit inside the transport bay of a Land Raider, either scale of the game.

In Epic, a modern Dreadnought's shoulders are as wide as the Land Raider itself (And only ~70% of a Land Raider's width is in its transport bay).

The last time I checked it was near impossible to fit the troops that are supposed to go into a Rhino or Land Raider.

Do the GW vehicles suffer the same scale problems that other game's vehicles suffer?

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Should we reduce the transport capacity of the Rhino and Land Raider to match the number of Tacticals that can actually fit inside?

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Evil and Chaos
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The last time I checked it was near impossible to fit the troops that are supposed to go into a Rhino or Land Raider.

Do the GW vehicles suffer the same scale problems that other game's vehicles suffer?


It is possible to fit a Rhino's 10 infantry in the back, and it's also possible to fit 5 Terminators in the back of a Land Raider. I've seen conversions to represent both (And so have a few of the chaps here).

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Pics ?!  Please ! :)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:30 am 
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I think almost everyone is trying to make Dreadnoughts what they aren't.

Dreads are foot infantry support units - not fast moving mechanised armour.

I think the only 3 options I've seen that have made sense are Markconz's 4 Dread unit; Chroma's Replace-rhinos-with- Dreads for garrisoning infantry; and the drop pod option (which would make sense with a 4 unit formation or a drop army)

Making artificial units to carry them into battle because they're percieved as too slow to be taken in an army list, IMO is faff. We have to realise not every unit in a list has to do everything the rest of the list does. There's a time and a place for Dreads so we have to suck it up if we want to take them. They go with foot infantry so let's move towards having them for just such a reason... for example, with the changes proposed by Neal Hunt it looks like we can take Marines without transports. Doesn't it make sense adding Dreads to this formation?

As usual, we are making a mountain out of a mole hill trying to get things to work.
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Evil and Chaos
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Well said Dobbsy.

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There are two aspects to this, I'd say:
1 - the official rules (as per SG and subsequently formal SG champions/Epicomms revisions) - I'd agree with Dobbsy on this one.
2 - fun stuff: house rules (available for download) for special formations or scenarios; and conversions as a bit of modelling fun or in support of said house rules.
I believe the two to be compatible.

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I have an article on Dreadnoughts for this issue of Firebase, which discusses many of these issues (And suggests some house rules for Melta Dreads and Dread formations).




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