Dobbsy wrote:
LordotMilk wrote:
Dobbsy stated he wanted tournament wins from a list before anything would be considered an issue.
I believe you must be paraphrasing here because I don't recall using that sentence....
What exactly did I say?
Dobbsy wrote:
Further to the case, the oft-raised All Marine Scout or Land Speeder One Trick Pony Army that can theoretically sweep certain army lists aside has still yet to be seen across any table top to anyone's knowledge as it would be deemed easily defeated by several other army lists thus defeating the concept of the "take on all comers" list for tournament play.
Which I understood as: Let's see how it performs in a tournament (aka must perform well) before we consider a nerf.
For what it's worth, the above at least has the advantage of being a determined process that can be followed. And it is not completely unreasonable, as SM have been approved for such a long time, and nerfing scouts would affect many lists. Until that post, the problem was not even acknowledged at all as a potential issue, nor a process for review defined.
Now with regards to the statements you make with regards to scout armies, I must disagree that they are one-trick pony. An all air assault army is a one trick pony. A scout army can do anything any other army does, except better. So its more like a multi-trick war hydra.
Secondly, I have stated many times that we play scout heavy lists here and that 1) they overperform, 2) they are not fluffy, and should be discouraged, preferably through a balance mechanism with the unit itself, over a change in the list structure. So, to my playgroup's knowledge, these lists are played on our tables with great success.
Thirdly, I would be interested in what lists can "easily" defeat a scout list. Remember the premise: 8 scout dets. , 2 captains: 1300 pts. All the rest is whatever you want, but you already have a monster fielded.
@Steve54: we have both been warned against arguing with each other. So lets just take for granted that we both consider each other completely wrong on everything and get on with our lives.