(Soren @ Jun. 18 2007,23:09)
QUOTE I don?t want getting the Thawk more (or even less) expensive under any circumstands. We will never get a groundpounder list out of the Marines as they are now. No new price lists will change this. In this point I fully agree with pixelgeek.
Well people are trying, I think the Salamander list comes close - but it only has a chance with heavy transports and plays quite differently to normal marines. Must say I am having problems with the Imperial fists attempt at groundpounding. Still it looks pretty with Bans models 
The second thing is, I strongly believe there is too much tweaking on existing lists now. There is no time to test, there are no comments but many suggestions and proposals without ever tried it.
I strongly feel WE NEED A SM CHAMPION to get back a line into the development. As ist does now, there are many proposals, many suggestions but no red line through the whole process. This is unsatisfying.
There is a vacume until the main review is completed. Until then people are batting around any number of ideas, mainly for Guard and marines. And so what? Once it is completed these things will be discussed to death, have a few tests from people it will be a simply matter to see what ones are worth going with.
I am pretty sure, no I KNOW the Marine list works as it is now and with the changes we are all familiar with. (namely decrease in price of armor detachments, Hunter, increase of termies and Barge costs) as they are sticky in the SG forum.
What sticky?
So let the Drop Marines be Drop Marines. If you want to play tanks, take Guard or TAU or Eldar. If you want to play attrition battles, play Orks or Guard.
There really is a lot of fluff about them defending bridges at multi company strength etc.
(nealhunt @ Jun. 19 2007,02:19)
QUOTE I don't have a suggestion. I have yet to see any suggestion to fix assault marines that doesn't screw some other formation's deployment options.
In an ideal world, there would be a cost for the Thawk based on what value it adds to the troops in its payload. However, that isn't practical. Barring that, some formation or formations will always be a bit too expensive or a bit too cheap.
Well, some of the varient chapter ideas try to fix Asaaults - but they of course get to alter other formations/availibility of air etc. Hence the idea of having a drop list and a ground list.
As tot he ideal world - its not to far fetched - if thats the only way to do it it there is nothing stopping us putting 'packages' in the list. So costing the individual formations as if they were on the ground, then having several thunderhawk + troops combos (all devs, all assault, one of each, tacs) which are a set price?
So the list would be
Thunderhawk Tactical - 1 tac. and a thunderhawk - 475 points
Thunderhawk Multirole - 1 ass., 1 dev. and a thunderhawk - 625 points
Thunderhawk Support - 2 dev. formations and a thunderhawk - 700 points
Then cost the thunderhawk at 250 for anyone who wants 'em and assault marines at 150 (so that combo is unaffected and doesn't need to be listed).
(nealhunt @ Jun. 18 2007,18:50)
QUOTE The marine infantry formations, with the exception of the Assault Marines, are all used regularly as ground formations in tournaments and batreps. To me, that's very strong evidence that they are just fine.
Or of course there are no other options once you have taken the 4 warhounds.
(BlackLegion @ Jun. 18 2007,11:56)
QUOTE Why would a strike force like Space Marines use super-heavy tanks?
Sms have tobe fast and agile. Not an attribute what super-heavy tanks posses.
They do have super heavies - landers and hawks.
(Hena @ Jun. 19 2007,09:27)
QUOTE I voted leave as is, as the ground pounder marines don't really need that much help. The games that I see using them, means that they work to a degree. Are the Thawk supported better? Yes. But so are Guards that use superheavies than the ones that don't.
Thats not true about Guard - it is a very flexible list - it can work without tanks, or without SHT's or without x,y or z. It has a lot of flexibility like orks. Marines. Well, pretty easy to guess what stalwarts will be in there isn't it?
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