If you haven't done one BL I have still and I believe neal has as well.
In fact I think the last time I used some was against Rug.

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I don't think I've done an actual batrep for any of the fights I've had with Salamanders, but I've used Redeemers in pretty much every battle.

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With the stats posted by TRC at the start of this thread?

Neals been using (I beleive) 85 points, 2x15cm AP3+, twin assault cannon and multi melta FF2+ (or maybe 3+). I may soon today finish the saturday batrep where I tried out 30cm AP3+, Multi melta FF4+ for the first time.

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I don't have it accessible at the moment, but that sounds right.

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I don't like the sound of those stats. For starters, anything with a multimelta MUST have a FF value of 5+. Ergo I would just forgo the multimelta on the Redeemer. It is optional and unlike the Crusader, has no real history of being associated with the multi-melta. I would leave the melta on the Crusader.

The current Crusader stats work because it has a FF of 5+ and therefore it gets a 5+MW extra attack in assaults, just like speeders, etc.

I would have said, 2xAP3+ Ignore Cover(or even 2+) at 15cm range with a corresponding FF value would be fine.

So is it a general consensus that the Land Raider Redeemer should be this:


LAND RAIDER REDEEMER
TYPE: Armoured Vehicle
SPEED: 25cm
CLOSE COMBAT: 5+
FIREFIGHT: 3+

WEAPONS:
Twin Assault Cannon; 30cm; AP4+/AT4+
2 x Flamestorm Cannon; 15cm; AP3+, Ignores Cover

Notes: Transport (2 infantry / 1 Terminator)




Yes?

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Sounds about right to me. The Crusader could justifiably have or not have a Multi-Melta, but no way should a Redeemer get one too!

Ok then I will be put the above stats into the Blood Angels army list.

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Um, no. Because thats pants. Believe it or not various redeemer ideas have been tested a lot. The current one its ended up at just about balances it with Land Raiders as an upgrade. In fact I don't believe anyone has shown it to be overpowered. I think even Rug was surprised at how much of a non entity it was most of the time.

I don't like the sound of those stats. For starters, anything with a multimelta MUST have a FF value of 5+.

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I'd give it ICFF as well.  Or maybe just FF2+.

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Well, the 30cm failed to set the world afire, then again it wasn't like there were many infantry about. Still, the experience of the vindicator would indicate an AP3+ IC weapon isn't that impressive for marines, who are largely stuck with AP weapons anyway...
Also its not a problem in the salamanders list due to the changed costs, but in other lists with cheap air transport just landing and firing with a bunch of these (or 6 Baals or anything else with heavy flamer style weapons) can just gut an infantry formation. Having one shot over two largely mitigates this.

Also I think its necessary to balance it against the normal land raider as an upgrade (or even formation) not a crusader as the transport ability skews things to much and makes the weapons fit somewhat by the by.

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Sorry Chris but no way should a Redeemer have a multi-melta!

The Crusader has a argument for it as it originally had it as standard, but the Redeemer never has – and we should stick to the standard weapons fit. This is what a Redeemer looks like (and it’s even in Salamander colours) – zero multi-melta: