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Titan hammer formations
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:39 am 
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Forget the hammers people - they need to be armed with string so they can run around the feet of the titan and trip it up :D

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:56 am 
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Termies just wear their explosive harnesses, sprint under the titans feet and blast titans toes away. Those toes have only been made to last weight of the lumbering titan and some more but explosives will do the job easily if those lemmings go for a group hug.

Suicide bombers must use terminator armour because of the weight of explosives they carry for their task.

unit                  move    type    armour   CC    FF
Lemmings         15cm    INF         4+       3+    -

weapon             range   firepower    notes
Explosives          base    assault        TK(1) Remove unit after using this attack.

note: reinforced armour, thick rear armour, fearless, teleport
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Well Lemmings make more sense to me than acrobatic terminators with hammers... :D

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:37 am 
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Ehm..you know that Thunderhammers automatically pierce armour if they hit regardless of the armour value of the target?
A few blows should sever several vital parts in the Titans ankle so that it will be no longer usable. A few blows more and the foot falls off effectively felling the titan.
More so of you stuff a Vortex Grenade into the ankle. POP! gone is the ankle and with the next step of the Titan the foot falls off from the leg.

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Niblebitzer
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:55 am 
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If titan isnt moving you can have a go with its foot and ankle. Othervise no way without Legolas tricks or terminator paste between heavy machinery parts.

Also how many strikes does it take to make hole enough for that grenade? Blunt end of a hammer is somewhere between human fist and human head, depending on which fig/art you are looking at. Armour on those titans is easily several feets thick.

Another thing that I have never understood is why imperial armours made from plasteel, which is mixture of plastic and steel, dont have colour included in material mixing and molding process. Every battle scarred chap has chips of paint removed from their fancy armours. It is either poor quality and imperial saves should be halved or enemies shoot with soft metal rounds like lead that leaves metallic marks on their armour.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:01 am 
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I think its the latter, 40k is all about style after all.

Surely with the vortex grenade the titan would fall through into the warp and get to shoot demons?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:27 am 
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@Niblebitzer:
1. SpaceMarines have magnetic soles to move on the hull of spaceships. And if the Tian's armour is non-magnetic they could be equipped with some kind of grappling claw feet.

2. I guess the hole a Thunderhammer makes is rougly man-sized :)
And a Vortex Grenade is fist-sized at maximum. A piece of adhesive tape would work too to stick it at the Titan without punching a hole first.

@The_Real_Christ: The Wh40k Vortex Template is only a bit larger than the  Barrage Template. So the whole Titan wouldn't fall through it but would vanish pice by pice as the Vortex will wander around until collapsing.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:14 am 
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I dont have my IA nor AT books with me but I assume that titans move faster than 35mph, that is usually lethal to pedestrians. Titans foot alone is somewhere between family wagon and truck. While moving titans foot moves on curved route, stonk-stonk-stonk. Forces that happen on each step are tremendous and surroundings react to that too. If titan is walking in dark gothic world where there are debris and rubble everywhere, there will be flying debris near each foots landing point and no sane or even insane marine would be voluntarily near that. That in addition to shaking ground that unbalances unwary people. In the middle of this our brave marines should rush to the feet that visits ground for few seconds before taking off again? Takeoff has same forces and no way half ton terminator is going to grab on with grappling claw feets.

Another thing is with Thunderhammer. If fist sized end of a hammer makes human sized hole, where does all materia disappear from impact point? If hole is created in a blink of an eye, it would cause blast comparable to huge explosion. Smack-BOOM. One hit and we have nicely scattered pieces of flying terminator.

This is of course the point where I am told not to follow the laws of physics as it is fictionary world of warhammer.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:16 am 
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I've always thought that terminators didn't climb onto the feet of the titans, rather they threw their hammers at the titans and hid behind their shields as they all bounced off its armour.

Now assault marines with jump backs, melta guns and melta bombs would work much better

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The solution to this would be to think like an Ork would and work your way backwards. :alien:
Shokk Attakk gun: piles of snots let into the workings of a titan would stop it.... at least if used in sufficient amounts.
The Termie attack using teleportation is quite close in concept. Since the SMs care a bit more for their troops, they teleport outside the titan, to avoid getting messy results. They have to break through, hence the hammers; and the vortex grenade fouls things up as well as a hige pile of snotlings.

Hence Vanvlak's 1st Apocalyptic law: {100(Terminators)+vortex grenade} = ( :infinity: )x(Snotlings)

EDIT: Hey, that infinity sign is floating away - grab it!

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(Niblebitzer @ Dec. 20 2007,09:14)
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I dont have my IA nor AT books with me but I assume that titans move faster than 35mph, that is usually lethal to pedestrians. Titans foot alone is somewhere between family wagon and truck. While moving titans foot moves on curved route, stonk-stonk-stonk. Forces that happen on each step are tremendous and surroundings react to that too. If titan is walking in dark gothic world where there are debris and rubble everywhere, there will be flying debris near each foots landing point and no sane or even insane marine would be voluntarily near that. That in addition to shaking ground that unbalances unwary people. In the middle of this our brave marines should rush to the feet that visits ground for few seconds before taking off again? Takeoff has same forces and no way half ton terminator is going to grab on with grappling claw feets.

Another thing is with Thunderhammer. If fist sized end of a hammer makes human sized hole, where does all materia disappear from impact point? If hole is created in a blink of an eye, it would cause blast comparable to huge explosion. Smack-BOOM. One hit and we have nicely scattered pieces of flying terminator.

This is of course the point where I am told not to follow the laws of physics as it is fictionary world of warhammer.

Great retort!
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Thunderhammers are in fact smack-BOOM! Because of this in 2nd Edition Wh40k only Terminators could use one without getting smashed in return.




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