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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:31 pm 
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Does anybody have a copy of Imperial Armor 2?  If so, would it be possible to have the verbage for the Prometheus typed into this thread?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:13 pm 
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(Blarg D Impaler @ Apr. 19 2007,15:27)
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I completely agree with the stats in the start of the thread, but like the Damocles I don't think that a vehicle should have command abilities simply because it is a command and control vehicle.  I know that special rules are severly frownewd upon here, but I think that the Prometheus and the Space Marines in general would be better served by a special "control" oriented rule for this.

I read the fluff in IA2 and I saw the story as being a description of its control abilities.  From what I remember it was able to coordinate an assault on the offending Eldar by being able to coomunicate with some far-off Space Marine units.  Hence the reason why I suggest this special rule for the Prometheus:

"Commander in the same detachment as the Prometheus ignores 5cm restriction between detachments that go on combined assault, all other rules apply."

I think that this would be prefereable for several reason:

1) It would fit the assault-oriented Space Marines rather well.
2) It would help the Salamanders a lot who are pretty light in the rapid attack department.
3) It would allow the Salamanders to field several of them without any degredations between them.
4) If needed we can genericize the rule, make it a special ability, and add it to other races/armies as appropriate.

What do you think?

This is an awesome idea, fluffwise.



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:02 pm 
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As i stated previously: I like this idea a lot. Yes it is powerful but we could price it accordingly.
If it is rely not balanceable in this way we could word it so, that it ignores the 5cm restriction for the Commander ability only for formation which have a Damocles/Prometheus too.

It's theonly worhtwhileidea i think.

Leader: too powerful with the new ATSKNF rule
Commander/SupremeCommander: already in the list via Character Upgrade.
Transport for Character: to fiddly?





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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:30 pm 
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I don't know about yout viewpoint but to me the SpaceMarines are all about higlhy effective command and superior leadership.
Yes it is represented by a StrategyRating of 5 and an InitiativeValue of 1+ but ImprovedCom (as the Damocles and Prometheus use) deserve a special rule to further the execution of the task the SpaceMarine force is supposed to accomplish.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:20 am 
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I'm highly in favour of Blag's idea, if we can point it correctly, for the record.

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Maybe it could be the first thing that ups the strategy rating in game :)

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Also a good idea!

However, very hard to cost appropriately?



Both better than 'leader' etc...





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And a damocles - SR 7! :)

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(Evil and Chaos @ Apr. 20 2007,06:20)
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I'm highly in favour of Blag's idea, if we can point it correctly, for the record.

I'd like to thank you and BlackLegion for your strong support of my idea.  Here's hoping we can find more support!

Initially I was going to say make it just a 25 point increase over a normal Land Raider, but considering that Land Speeders could be pulled in from a long distance I think a 50 point increase over a normal Land Raider would suffice.

At least it is a number to get the ball rolling...

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I would go high for this. +75pts. Naturally a Captain is needes in the same formation to use the "ComLink" ability in the first place.

So upgrade would be: add Character (Captain) +50pts, add LandRaider + 100pts+ convert LR to Prometheus + 75pts.

If it is to expensive we can drop the points cost.

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Another idea for both the damocles and Prometheus, is to give them a one shot "Lance strike"

Something along the lines of:

Weapon               range     firepower     notes
Orbital support      30cm       MW2+        TK(D3), one shot

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