I am not altogether sure what you mean Mike?

I would see an army list used to defend a position, and then be able to counterattack through drop assault, or strengthen defensive positions with drop disruption.

I am not certain in what way one army wing obviates the other?

edit: a bit like what was done with DKOK, except with SM tactics (drop assault) instead of gorgon assault.

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A play style that's different from the current list and WS would be fun. Ground pounding offense/defense seems to fit that well.

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LoM I can see the siege/pod mechanic working quite well, I had an idea about caestus rams used as a type of pod, essentially you buy the caestus upgrade for a formation, which allows it to 'pod' in without taking a spacecraft, you would get some kind of deathwind-esque shooting attack representing the weapons of the assault ram, but no orbital barrage, you would also have to pay per formation

it solves the multiple-air-transports-for-a-single-formation issue in a single stroke

my own preference is for the attacking elements to be land raider crusaders full of terminators (gorgons-lite) but I don't see why we can't include both in the list

on the 40k lists at 6mm scale, we'll have to disagree on that point, my opinion ia that we should develop lists for epic which provide a variety of playstyles regardless of 40k fluff, I do recognise that there are differing schools of thought on this however and there can be a bit of compromise on both sides

I have some ideas I'm quite excited about after reading people's opinions in this and the other thread, I'll draw up a new list when I get some free time

Many thanks for everyone's input so far!

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Dave, what does WS mean? White Scars?

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You'd be better giving the podded formations teleport or self planetfall then mate provided you're not allowing space craft.

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Yeah that was the idea with the caestus... a self-planetfalling drop pod....

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Ya, White Scars.

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I voted "Others" because i see the ImperialFists as a mix of the first three options.

If we follow GW/FW we would have Salamanders as the "Siege Defence Sternguard", Minotaurs as "Siege Assault Vanguard" and Imperial Fists as well....as what? "Siege Battle Mainforce"? "Suicidal Centurion Defence"? XD

Well i have absolutely no problem to use my Salamanders models with an Imperial Fists "Siege Defence Sternguard" army list. Those chapter names are only there to give a certain battle style the name of a chapter which is famous for utilising those.

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Multiple air transports isn't an issue for the Caestus.

There's already existing Epic stats for the Caestus Assault Ram however (see the 2012 Compendium). It's in the Raven Guard list and others. It's not a flyer but a fast skimmer upgrade that has planetfall. Stats:

Caestus Assault Ram AV 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Firefury Missile Launcher 30cm 1BP, Single Shot
Magna Melta 15cm MW4+
AND (15cm) Small Arms, MW
Notes: Planetfall, Reinforced Armour, Skimmer, Transport: (May carry 2 of the following units: Assault, Terminator, Tactical or Scout).

Interesting, I'd seen different stats in BLs Siege assault vanguard list......

will ponder some more....

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Yeah, Black Legion did a different version for the Siege Vanguard list for reasons I'm unclear on. Have a quick look at this thread - Dobbsy brought it up a while ago, wanting to get one set of stats for the Caestus agreed on, and the opinion was 6 in favour of it being an armoured vehicle as per those stats, with just Black Legion having his own idea. I don't think anything was settled or changed, but the majority opinion was pretty clear.

I thought you were going for more of a ground pounding defensive style list anyway? Isn't the Caestus more of an offensive siege/ship-boarding craft? I would think it would fit better in the Iron Warriors list and others than here.

Well, I was thinking of ways to deploy terminators, I had the idea in discussion with MikeT and Apoc, we thought it could be used like a drop pod as they tend to be used in that fashion in space battles, as I don't see a seige force having orbital support (my view is that the marines are more established on the ground, bringing more tanks and siege kit, the spaceship is probably off somewhere else, or blockaded by the enemy)

LoM has suggested the idea of adding pods, either as a siege assault or relief force, which I quite like

I'm getting a picture forming of where I want to take things, Caestus would be nice, but a fast, planetfalling skimmer doesn't fit the theme, if nothing else I want to keep the army heavily ground-based

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I see orbitalsupport in the last phases of a siege. The walls are breached and enemy AA is greatly reduced there are weak spots which can be exploited by Thunderhawks and Ceasti. And after all: void shields don't prevent aircrafts/spacecrafts to fly through them. Else bombers would be useless in BattlefleetGothic games
Also i see Caesti as well Assault Rams. During a siege they can fly litteraly through the gates and discharge their cargo in the inside of the enemy fortress.

As for my stats for the Caesti: I invented them to allow a Caestus to transport a whole formation. SO i merged the stats of two and gave them WE status as if it where a single model.
Feel free to use the moe accepted RavenGuard stats

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I think I'm leaning towards a more defence oriented list as it's currently topping the poll

most likely will include assault terminators, fortifications including the buy-as-transport-fortress suggested by Dobbsy, centurions in some fashion, achilles, larger vindicator formations, and possibly siege reaver/warlord titans

I'll probably leave thawks and caestus rams out (which is a shame as I have many of both!) warhounds of all types will be excluded

I'm undecided about spacecraft/podding..... I like the idea but you can already play codex marines as a drop list, I could be convinced otherwise though....

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You can change the stats of the Caestus ram from what the Raven Guard uses.

That list is not in a definitive form yet, and I am not quite sure why it fields caestus rams at all.

I'll suggest some stats if you are interested.

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