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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:40 am 
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I support the 275 Tactical Formation. I agree with what SK said below about how it would effect the lists.

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At the absolute worst case scenario, people get a 25-or-50 point discount on their current lists. Best case scenario, people start taking more Tacticals and fewer Terminators/Devastators/War-Goats.


About the Warhound Changes...

I DO NOT LIKE 300 point Warhounds for Marines Only! If they need to be raised (Which I don't think) then it should be across all lists. As for the Critical I guess will see where that polls goes, but I voted No already.

I think the best answer for the un-fluffy Warhound Spam is to restrict Single 0-1 in the ALL Army lists(Expect AMTL). Then we might see a pack of Hounds or a Reaver.


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Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
I DO NOT LIKE 300 point Warhounds for Marines Only! If they need to be raised (Which I don't think) then it should be across all lists.

Why? The same unit may have a different value to a list, different benefits/synergies with a list, or other factors, so the point value may need to be different.

The Warhounds are a perfect example: In a Marine list , the Warhounds act on a Strategy Rating of 5, while in a Steel Legion list, they act on a Strategy Rating of 2. That's a fairly significant difference, so why should they cost the same amount of points?

Heck, Warhounds are more "useful" to a Marine list, as they fill a hole, so, in essence, they're "worth more" to the Marines.


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Mainly I don't think is solves the issue people complain about. Seeing three Single Warhounds would still be possible. I thought we wanted to avoid seeing lots of Allies. Making them Pack up I think would see a decrees in them. Maybe someone would put more Tacticals to try or a Vindicators now? Or some Preds with FF3+


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Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
Mainly I don't think is solves the issue people complain about. Seeing three Single Warhounds would still be possible.


Nah, can't get a flight of thunderbolts then. Only 2 singles, which is what most UK GT armies have :)


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Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
Mainly I don't think is solves the issue people complain about. Seeing three Single Warhounds would still be possible. I thought we wanted to avoid seeing lots of Allies.

It would still allow for three Warhounds, which is actually fine; it's just that taking three singleton Warhounds at that point level wouldn't be as advantageous as it would limit air support and eat up points for other things.

Coupled with a drop in Tactical formations, it might encourage some different army selection to be considered.


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The idea is not to stop 3 Warhounds from being possible. A wide range of possibilities is a good thing.

The goal to make the Warhound/Thawk builds comparable to other options. That probably requires a slight nerf to the Warhound/Thawk builds or a slight improvement in other options.

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On a separate note, in correspondence with Pulsar, he said he was already considering taking the BT Crusader/Tactical formation to 275. Despite the fact that he's passed the torch, I think he still has the most experience with the list and probably the best opinion on the matter. For now, that's good enough for me.


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