Yeah but only Cruisers and above can hope to survive in low orbit long enough to do a bombardment and then escape back to high orbit again... little escorts would get shredded by ground-based defence batteries, etc.

Taadaah.

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Ah but Ben, BFG states that only cruisers have teleporters!

That's for... oh shuddup.

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Perhaps, but requiring a spacecraft to teleport terminators would be the final nail in the coffin of mud marines. Why bother with ground based troops at all, why not droppod since you've already paid for the spacecraft to make your terminators useful?

Well the cost of Teleport then could be inlcuded in the spacecraft and "mud" Terminators be cheaper.

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Yay! Thunderhawk air assaults get even better

I was expecting this counterargument after mulling it over with Dave; I think this may be solved with having a 3rd class of spacecraft available as mentioned above - 150points for an escort or some such.

This is way out there but comes to mind regarding warhounds: Since they're scout titans, that implies that they are scouting for other titans. Why would a titan legion debase itself so much as to lend one of its engines to a bunch of traction when the big boys are the ones in need of scouts? So, just require a battle titan if you're going to take a scout titan, yes? Sort of the opposite of the AMTL list build. I can guarantee that folks won't be clamoring to get warhounds in the list if they have to spend another 650 points - it'll shoot their activation counts all to hell.

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Wasn't there already aproposal to make Thunderhawks more costy?
How about increasing the Transport Thunderhawk points cost and introducing the Saturation Bombing one at a cheaper price?

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We should introduce the Warmonger Titan to the Marine list.

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As mandatory if you want Warhounds?

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Whatever happened to the idea of changing the Vindicator's stats to make it a more popular choice?

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It was pretty much killed because of the resulting effect on the guard list; changing the demolisher cannon to MW4+ (the main suggestion) makes leman russ demolishers overpowered.

Vindicators did get speed 25cm and Walker and a points drop to 50pts as an upgrade and 250pts as a formation.

They're worth it as an upgrade now, IMO, but not as a formation (Needs another 25pt drop).

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Why is it necessary to change the LR Demolisher stats?

I guess I missed that. Thanks, E&C. That does make them a more viable option.

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Vindicator and Leman Russ Demolisher share the same gun.

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