Yes they're silly, but (sadly) they're also part of the list background now.

Hence why I put them into my list as an alternative option to Terminators or Wolf Scouts, if someone really wants them....

Yeah that's what I've been assuming, or that they were gene-spliced humans made in pre-Imperium times at the least, but I've still got a few pages to go so don't (didn't) know if any more was to be told beyond what I've read so far.

Certainly, they're not actual Wolves as we understand them to be. They're the size of a car, for starters.

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Guys, can we please avoid debating what does and doesn't constitute a Thunderwolf and stick with giving our views on what we'd prefer/not prefer to see in the new list and avoid picking holes in other people's views? I'd prefer it if we could keep as little clutter in this thread as possible just so I can keep track of it more easily.

And just to be clear - There won't be any Thunderwolves - unless 95% of people ask for them. I'm not entirely against them but I would like a very large majority before I include them as from what I understand there aren't supposed to be large numbers of them, more individual marine mounts and I'm not yet sold on that idea.

Thanks all :thumbs up:

Aren't the Thunderwolves and Fenrisian Wolves entirely different beasties?

Oh I think Thunderwolves can probably happily count as Bikers, ruleswise, a little note in the background text can explain that.

But trying to pretend they don't exist, that's just silly. :-)


Thunderwolves is the name for a group of Space Wolves riding Fenrisian Wolves.

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Thunderwolves are for Space Wolves what Juggernauts are for World Eaters.
Fluff wise they are supposed to be single individuals riding a special mount.
In Epic the Juggernauts already are (and where in past editions of the game) a formation of it`s own. So no far stretch that Thunderwolve Cavalry could be a formation of it's own.

BTW hello_daves Space Wolves army list is in the attatchment of this posting.

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Dobbsy: Do you own the Space Wolves Codex?

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I own the old codex (so most of my knowledge comes from there) and scanned the new one on a GW fly-by during shopping with my wife. I'll be grabbing a copy of it today, however.

Actually, that's incorrect.

Fenrisian Wolves are "lion-sized" wolfoids that run as a pack with Space Wolves who have killed their "alpha male", like hunting dogs; this seems to be relatively common.

Thunderwolves are "rhinoceros-sized" wolfoids that, on rare occasions, a Space Wolf tames/masters to become Thunderwolf Cavalry; they are supposed to be extremely rare. I can't see their being a formation of them at all.

The two creatures are completely different creatures in the new Space Wolf codex.

Ok thanks for confirming what I thought. My scan of the codex seemed to imply this but after a bit of confusion about wolf types I now see that we can have a Fenrisian Wolf pack as a formation and we can try to decide on what form Thunder Wolves will take in the list if we choose to have them.

Apologies E&C for misunderstanding your posts in the Poll thread too.

Not such a great start to getting this list running again.

Sorry everyone.

A mention in the biker or character notes would probably be sufficient. biker +character = thunderwolf rider.

Ah righto, my mistake.

They are certainly rare, being as you need to take a Special Character in 40k to gain access to them at all, IIRC.

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Chroma is correct. But i can see a 0-1 choice of a 4 unit Thunderwolf Cavalry formation viable.
After all Khorne Juggernaut Riders are supposed to be rare too.

And no E&C you don't need a special Character to allow Thunderwolves in your army. Canis Wolfborn allowes Fenrisian Wolves to be Troop Choices instead of Fast Attack.

And i can't see Fenrisian Wolves as a formation of their own in Epic. They are animals (or at least animals in behaviour). They need someone to guide them to be effective in a battlefield. So i propose that they should be only available as an upgrade to a formation.

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Oh,then there's plenty of them in the chapter (at least enough to makeup one formation, or lots of upgrades).

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For the record:

In the Codex:
- Fenrisian Wolves are an upgrade to Wolf Lords, Wolfguard Battle Leaders and Iron Priests. Anyone can take up to two of them as companions (Iron Priests can take up to 4 Cyberwolves which are cybernetical enhanced Fenrisan Wolves).
- Fenrisan Wolves are a Fast Attack choice (which means you can have up to 3 units of them) and are 5-15 models per unit.

- Thunderwolves can be taken as a mount for Wolf Lords, Wolfguard Battle Leaders and Iron Priests.
- Thunderwolf Cavalry are also a Fast Attack choice and are 1-5 models per unit.

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