Quote: (Hena @ 06 Jun. 2009, 19:40 )
Blacklegion, the stat don't need to copy 40k. The decision on whether to give that 15cm shot or not depends entirely on how the unit is meant to be used. Is it assault (+EA) or support (15cm shots) tank. It seems that to make a division between Crusader and this, this cannot be as good in assault directly as Crusader.
Crusader will have either 2+1MW at 5+ or 2 at 4+ FF shots (let's leave that debate out of this now). With one 30cm shot.
Redeemer thus needs to be better at ranged fire, but worse in FF. So
FF3+, CC5+ (thing has frag launchers as well ...)
Twin Assault Cannon; 30cm; AP4+/AT4+; -
2 x Flamestorm Cannon; 15cm; AP4+; Ignore Cover
AP 4+ as 2*3+ sounds really too good. Of course some batreps showing it's use to be not good enough, can change my opinion. Now with double it's expected to score one hit on target on cover or not. Again that needs to be tested, I just tried to come up with stats to separate it in it's own niche.
Hena unless they were deleted while I were away there should be bat reps from me, BL and nealhunt testing the existing tank (stats LR plus twin assault cannon, frag launchers, multi melta and two 15cm ap3+ guns). And they are pretty much balanced vs the standard land raider, the thing for me is the range is damn short and their is already an incerator with heavy flamer and the terminators with heavy flamers (not to mention the MM armed marines) and too much 15cm fire ain't fun. The debate for me to be honest whether to use the apoc fudge to give it one 30cm ap3+ attack instead of the 15cm ones, which I tested in tonights game vs Black Legion and I'll try and post up today or tomorrow.
The side benefit of such a change is other lists that use it can worry less about it being a tank for air insertion. The sallie list has expensive air assets and even then it wasn't possibly to have an incerators formation as it was too good landing an lc and shooting with them and devs. The more short ranged a vehicle is the more return there is air inserting it (and if its an assault tank its a no brainer). The Baal and incerator get away with it hopefully being chapter specific builds, but the redeemer is a potentially more widely used one. Hence wanting a close support vehicle not one just for assaults.
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