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Scout Sniper Upgrade
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 Post subject: Scout Sniper Upgrade
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:07 pm 
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(Ginger @ Sep. 20 2007,14:55)
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Given the clarification that the "Sniper" ability is Ranged fire only (not FF or CC), it is then irrelevant whether the ability is given to a unit (as an upgrade) or specified on the weapon stats.

I thought I would do something unusual and read the rules:

Some infantry units are noted as being snipers. Roll separately when attacking with a sniper unit. If they hit, the attacker can choose which enemy unit is hit from those within range and in the line of fire of the sniper unit. In addition the target suffers a -1 save modifier.


The rule does not specifically say not for CC or FF attacks.  But, it does say that it is unit based and not a weapon modifier.  So, I guess I will withdraw my suggestion regarding Small Arms only.

But, I would still argue that the Scouts should be able to conduct Sniper attacks in FF and CC.

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 Post subject: Scout Sniper Upgrade
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:19 pm 
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That was the nub of the debate here and on SG. I believe Neal is proposing to add the clarification that 'Sniper' is only applicable to ranged fire (unless it is specifically noted in the unit/weapon stats)

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 Post subject: Scout Sniper Upgrade
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:04 pm 
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50 points is ok IMO.

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 Post subject: Scout Sniper Upgrade
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:30 pm 
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50 pts.!

And I think it is clear that the scouts do not snipe with the Heavy Bolter. But for purposes of simplification (isn't Epic all about that?) just add the sniper ability to the weapon stat line.

Oh, and my vote for "sniper for ranged weapons only except if explicitly noted in the unit stats"! :-)
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 Post subject: Scout Sniper Upgrade
PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:49 pm 
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I could make some interesting comments about modern Squad Automatic Weapons and Light Machineguns getting telescopic sights added (although that's more for long-range observation than any implication that the weapons are accurate enough to be used for precision target work).

nevertheless, I think that the best way would be to REPLACE the Heavy Bolter on the unit card with "Sniper Rifles, 30cm, AP5+ Sniper"

call it a 50-point upgrade and be done with it.

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 Post subject: Scout Sniper Upgrade
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:18 pm 
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I went for 75 points in variant lists and tests to be cautious. If people don't rate sniper that highly (I always forget about it) 50 is fine.

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