And to say people won't try and min max...
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....y283568

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Well thats a list for an official turney and not for a friendly game which uses the turney scenario.

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I like all in one lists. As Neal said you might run into problems with individual models not clearly representing what they are supposed to be though.

Other than that and speaking as someone who doesn't mind converting I think it would be a nice challenge and it would definitely make the Codex SM list more interesting.

Also I would love to see an all in one list for the Eldar done. I brought it up recently but all I got was a bunch of "this is Epic not 40K mate" bs. So yeah, why not have a go at an Eldar Codex too?

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BTW what do you say about the changes i made to already existing units?

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This kind of list is excellent for friendly games,a kind of "house rules" list even more so for developing scenarios or campaigns.

I would say keep developing it but you may find only a few are interested in such a list,even if other races are developed too.There's nothing stopping players adapting existing list's and/or formations to whatever they want in fact it is openly encouraged in the rulebook that it's our game to do with as we wish.If gaming groups want to adjust stats/formations/weapons/points or anything else to suit their group they can even if it does or doesn't match existing fluff/background/organization or codex etc.

The main reason's I see that you will only get a few players interested is it's not what the Epic community is about.You may get predominantly 40K/Apocalypse players who like the epic rules system preferring it but the Epic players I know are not interested in 40K/Apocalypse style formations or to incorporate every new adaptation of the 40K rules and stats.They don't want access to everything in an "All in 1" list and much prefer the development of (hopefully)a few dozen restricted but highly individual list's.

I hope you keep going with the development of this.I won't personally use it as an army list as such but I would use it as help towards thinking up formations for scenarios,campaigns and variant lists etc.

The Titanhammer commander belongs in an Imperial Fists army list.

Honour Guard, Vanguard and Sternguard belong in a 'veteran-themed' list, if at all.

Ironclad Dreadnought probably belongs in the siege-minded Imperial fists army list.

Thunderfire Cannon probably belongs in an Imperial Fists army list.

Tarantulas and Hyperios platforms probably belong in a 'defensive themed' army list.

Dreadnought formation probably belongs in a Dark Angels (Ironwing) or Iron Hands army list.



As individual unit proposals, they are great.

As components of an 'all-in-one' style army list, they are rubbish.



All-in-one army lists are just not as good as several specifically themed lists. This is a near-universal opinion amongst the Epic community.

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Hey i altered the Tactical, Terminator and Bike units too

Taratulas are good for assault based armies too. They can be deployed with Thunderhawks to deny Objectives (i don't think they can capture them regardless that they can shoot).

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Updated to V1.1 (see first posting) Stille Spacecrafts missing as well formations for the Thunderer and other things.
- adjusted some stats (eg removed Scout from allLand Speeders and added Free Planetfall)
- added some configurations for existing units (Land Speeder, Attack Bike and Thunderhawk)
- added some missing units
- corrected some stats

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