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(Lion in the Stars @ Aug. 09 2006,19:37)
QUOTE Good Lord! ?Blarg, you're alive? ?Did Real Life? get in the way of your gaming again?
I'm not sure that it's worth adding the level of detail to include Techs and Apothecaries. ?I think that adding an Invulnerable Save is a good representation of an Apothercary, but a Techmarine (in 40k) is a devastating force, especially when fielded with a retinue of gun or combat servitors. ?(think more lightly armored Termies led by a Librarian. ?He's that nasty.)
No, Real Life did not get in the way of gaming. ?My disgust with how Epic: Armageddon is being handled by SG and my disgust with how the AMTL are being handled has generally dissuaded me from posting. ?I've come to the conclusion that there are too many people involved that make design by committee, a poor process to begin with, too irritating to stay heavily involved. ?Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good people here and I like them, but there are some people that are dragging this process down. ?In addition, some of the consensus, and army champion, decisions that are being made I simply think are wrong and I don't agree with them. ?So instead of wasting my time, wasting everyone elses time, and making other people mad, I've decided to shut-up - except for the occassional item that piques my interest.
In the meantime I am putting together an Excel file that will have all of the stats of all of the units in E:A, consolidated together, and based upon published stats and playtest files. ?I will make changes to the stats based upon published errata, net consensus, and my own thinking. ?Sometimes to get certain unit stats I have to mine this forum and the GW/SG forum for appropriate topics.
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I'm not so sure that it is worth adding Techmarines and Apothecaries to E:A either, but since they were in Epic before, they have miniatures for them, and WH40K still supports their existence I think they are worth including. ?I'm glad you concur regarding the Apothecary. ?
Personally, being the "old school" kind of Epic player that I am, I'd be very happy keeping the Techmarine as I mentioned. ?Up until recently the Techmarine in WH40K did not have a retinue of servitors firing big guns at his whim - he fixed tanks and that was it. ?In a previous edition of WH40K, and I could be wrong here, the Techmarine may have helped Servitors firing Rapiers, Thudd Guns, Tarantulas, etc. ?But since the Marines no longer have field guns at their disposal the this (may have?) has gone away. ?
If we really wanted to stay true to the current incarnation of the Techmarine in WH40K we can make a "Techmarine with Retinue" upgrade where in addition to the Invulnerable Saves for the vehicles in the formation we can give him additional FF attacks to represent Servitors. ?To be more accurate, though, he would then be an addition to the detachment instead of an upgrade.
Whatever you guys want to do is fine by me, I have my stats, nobody (yet) has made a big stink against my suggestion, so I'm going to stick with it and go lurker again.
Matt
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I shot a Deathstrike Missile and destroyed an enemy titan in my pajamas last night. ?How it got into my pajamas I still don't know...
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