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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Wed May 28, 2014 12:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of Terra |
Hi This is a question to those of a more old-school persuasion. Firstly when exactly did GW start properly splitting out Space Marines from Imperial Guard, as oppoed to just "Imperial"? I was googling at lunchtime at work today colour schemes for original Legions. I came across one scan from WD which showed 6 Mki Land raiders, 4 of the in Space Marine colours and 2 in Imperial Guard. Likewise I seem to remember no distinction when the first Manticores and Basilisks came out. I also remember Guard camo rhinos. What about the first Mk1 Shadowswords and Baneblades? Secondly does anyone have any good scans of the early Space Marine issues of WD? I have the WD's with the Adeptus Titanicus stuff in. Not sure about Space Marine stuff that, from memory, came slightly afterwards. Cause the game was called Space Marine it is harder to get a more focussed google search!! What has prompted this is that have recently won a copy of Forgeworld Horus Heresy Book One Betrayal- taken me a while to get one within the budget I set aside for it but patience finally paid off. Much as I love Forgeworld's 28mm figures - their resin are just things of beauty - I can't afford anything than the odd figure, and plus my interest in W40k, which has inexorably waned over the last decade, has been dealt the deathknell blow by 7th ed. However I got into the hobby with AT/SM1 and have always loved the background of Horus heresy - it hits all my buttons. So if I can't afford to do Heresy in 28mm, what about in 6mm? Far more affordable. Give me an excuse to paintstrip and redo my Mk1 Rhinos and LandRaiders, and maybe chuck in some of my other old models that are unlikely to find a home in my current Steel Legion / Blood Angel armies. So I need some inspiration on which Legion ad what paint scheme. Do I paint both Marines and Guard in same colours or try to find two complementary colour schemes. Do I go Loyalist/Traitor? I want to be able to refight some of the major battles of the heresy- I guess as a minimum Isstvaan V and Siege of Terra, and possibly some of the intervening battles. Given that the Dropsite Massacre seemed to temporarily end Salamanders, Raven Guard and Iron Hands as effective fighting forces, If I want an army that can cover both the beginning and end of the Heresy, that does sort of restrict me to the 8 Traitor legions from Isstvaan V. This is not intended to be a quick project- I'm happy to take my time and work on in between other projects fro both EA and other games. But as I start reading through the Forgeworld HH Books, I would like to slowly build up my own 6mm Horus Heresy force. Look forward to seeing what others have done/would do. Thanks very much James |
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| Author: | moredakka [ Wed May 28, 2014 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
Just a quick reply to this one for a minute as i think you will need to do at least two versions of any chaos faction you decide to model. The reason i say this is because having the FW heresy books and reading the BL novels it seems that by the time they get around to the seige of terra the chaos marines are going to look much like their 40K counterparts and no longer appear as normal legionaries and will probably be displaying chaos faction colour schemes as well. Also the three legions mentioned S, RG and IH never fought on earth as far as i know so you could safely ignore them with your plan in mind. |
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| Author: | Luke [ Wed May 28, 2014 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
G'day Your post hits a note with me cos I've pondered many of the same questions myself. I reckon you should do two legions, one traitor..one loyalist. So which ones to do? Well in my opinion two legions epitomise the respective sides of the equation.... Traitor - Sons of Horus...Horus's own Praetorians, one of the larger legions, proficient in all forms of combat (lightening attack, armoured warfare, protracted sieges/defence) and involved from the very start of the rebellion to the last battles...also from the fluff I have read they don't change too much in appearance from Istvann III to the Siege of Terra (maybe the Armour becomes a deeper shade of sea-green but they are pretty spiky even in the beginning). Loyalist - Imperial Fists....staunch and steadfast, the resolute defenders of the Imperium, again all-rounders when it comes to methods of waging war, there in force for plenty of the major HH battles including being the main loyalist players at the Siege of Terra. Strong colour scheme and powerful iconography. As for the Imperial Army (not Guard until post heresy) ...I would go with a generic grey or green that would suitably support both Traitor or Loyalist legions...or you could wait a bit for the upcoming Heresy books before deciding as Forgeworld have confirmed they will be covering different Imperial Army formations in detail. Just on the HH books..would definitely recommend you try and get hold of the other two available, they are expensive but very worth it...the only downside is they are so good every time I read the background on a new Legion I get inspired and start making plans to do them as well! |
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| Author: | GlynG [ Wed May 28, 2014 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
Space Marines and Imperial guard were split from the start, but both in the early days and in current 30k used some of the same vehicles. Forge World have recently revealed more about the Solar Auxilla (the generic imperial army) at their recent HH Open Day and they come in lots of colours:  Do some googling/forum browsing and you'll find various photos of their infantry and tank models. |
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| Author: | Llamahead [ Wed May 28, 2014 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
How 40k are your Blood Angels? Using them as 1 side may be an option. |
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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Wed May 28, 2014 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
Thanks guys. Will definitely get the other two HH books eventually but will try to stagger them because of the cost and don't want to rush reading them. My Blood Angels are too W40k to use for HH. I bought them when EA was released. So they are all latest models. I was contemplating Sons of Horus.Their colour scheme is quite different from most W40k colour schemes. I forget who painted them but there were some lovely Sons of Horus in the Isstvan thread. Cheers James |
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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Wed May 28, 2014 7:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
Thanks Glyn. I had found those pictures. I was more after rhe old pictures from White Dwarf. I checked in back of my wardrobe where have got my old Epic box sets. On Space Marine 1st ed they featured Ultramarines vs Thousand Sons but had colour schemes for 6 Loyalist and 6 Traitor Legions. For me at moment I am torn between Sons of Horus or Emperors Children. I hate painting white which rules out Death Guard and World Eaters. Iron Warriors would be great for loads of tanks. I do have some 28mm Iron Warriors and some 6mm ones, but they are the Epic 40k models so can't really use them for Heresy. None of the other 3 Undivided Legions at Massacre really grab me yet. Of course there is danger that may change as I read more of HH fiction and FW rulebooks. |
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| Author: | jimmyzimms [ Wed May 28, 2014 7:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
Alpha Legion all the way baby. 1. They mysteriously had newer prototypes of vehicles and weapons others did not yet have (see HH book 3) so your E40k stuff would actually work 2. You get two armies for the price of one: Pure legion and you can roll in Imperial Army units as a mixed army as they used forces and operatives from a myriad of sources as needed. 3. Known for Shock and Awe tactics during that period so plenty of Fast Armor 4. They're the Alpha Legion, of course they secretly were at Terra!  5. Not white, easier color to paint. Looks ace on the table top! |
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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Wed May 28, 2014 8:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
Thanks Rastamann. Just to clarify it is less that I want to use SM models in a 30k Guard army which you have focused on. It is more that I want to mix in some of my older IG models in s Heresy Legion force. I am trying to remember if for example we ever saw Baneblade and Shadowswords in Legion colours. If I havr read the playtest Legion army list correctly, then I can use Basilisks and Manticores in Legion list. For the Baneblades and Shadowswords one option might be to use counts as rules as Fellblades and Glaives. Just thinking of best ways of using my old surplus models capturing some of that Old School flavour that first drew me to game. Thanks Jimmy. No doubting which Legion you favour!! Cheers James |
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| Author: | jimmyzimms [ Wed May 28, 2014 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
As revisioned, Baneblade==Glaive/Fellblade Shadowsword==Falchion All three of the above were mentioned in the fluff back in 1st edition and an Ultramarine Superheavy Tank showed up in a few drawings that was EXTREMELY similar to the the eventual Fellblade produced 20 years later. When they arrived they basically made them [insert tank name] ++ The point is, if you want to paint a Shadowsword as your favorite legion then just do it. You can still point cost/field it under any number of rule sets as the closest appropriate vehicle (e.g. if playing NetEpic just use under Counts-As Guard Baneblade with your company cards) and call it good |
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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Wed May 28, 2014 9:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
Yeah. That's what I was thinking Jimmy. I have acquired loads of Imperial Super Heavies over the years. I think the Mk1's are not s patch on the more recent SG and FW models. But reckon they would look fine alongside other Mk1 models. May have to do some Sons of Horus. |
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| Author: | Sawbones [ Thu May 29, 2014 12:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 6mm Horus Heresy Marines/Guard - Isstvan V to Siege of T |
I am confused - during the Crusade and Horus Heresy periods there are numerous source book and novel references to Legion use of Shadowswords, Baneblades, Stormhammers, etc. in addition to the Falchions, Fellblades and Glaives (most recently in the HH III: Extermination book in the descriptions of the battles. There is no restriction to their use by the Legions in those periods. The superheavies mostly fell out of use when the Loyalist Legions were broken into the 1000 man Space Marine Chapters. |
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