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Converting 6mm Models

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:14 pm 
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Does anyone have any ideas on what modelling compounds, goos, products, etc. to use in order to "convert" 6mm models? Specifically, I would like to add little details like holsters, pouches, ponytails, capes, and extend the length of weapons, etc.

Here is what I have come up with so far:

Two-part resin: Hard and messy to work with, but generally stays put until it hardens. Use pins and paperclips as you sculpting tools.

Green Stuff: Easy to mix, but hard to manipulate in this small a quatity. Also, does not always stay stuck with such a small surface contact area. Usually needs a little PVA/white glue to reinforce adhesion, but that clogs the details and rounds the shape.

PVA/White Glue: Hard to get it to stay in place, given that it is runny. Hard to control. Generally gives a smooth round shape. If you are creating smooth round shapes on a flat surface, that's fine, but if not... I haven't tried using a syringe to apply it in a finer line.

Wood filler: These are slightly gritty and pasty, but they generally stay put. Just need good modelling tools for it.

Silicone caulk or sealant: Harder to paint than other materials. Hard to model, given its squishy nature. Need modelling tools for it.

FIMO, Sculpey, and other oven-bakes "clays": Hard to stay stuck, hard to bake something so small as it is easy to overcook it. Maybe paint the model, add the piece unbaked, then shoot it with varnish, then paint? Maybe the varnish will create the necessary shell to hold it all together?

Air-dried clays: Have not tried this in awhile, and definitely not at this scale, but I would imagine that it would not stay stuck.

So, how could I ensure that these things stay stuck without clogging what little detail there is too badly? Super glue possibly? I have pretty much always been using PVA/White glue.

Any ideas you can share would be appreciated.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:22 am 
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You dont just have to use 'squishy' stuff to sculpt with. Plasti-card, plasti-rod, well any kind of plastic stock is easy to carve with a sharpe blade.

Heres a couple of examples

sniper rifles were made using a piece of plastic sprue with brass rod drilled into it. The plastic was then carved to shape.


The heavy bolter is purely plastic chopped to shape and glued together, i dont like the plasma gun but is again just sprue.

Greenstuff is used to fill the gaps in the arms and add the odd detail here and there. It is sometimes useful to get the rough shape you want in GS off model, let it dry, and then cut/carve it and glue it into postion on the model.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:30 am 
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Also you can use bits off other models, in the DP the head andarms are from an epic hive tyrant, the sholder pads are from the back end of a chaos juggernaut, and the horns from a chaos minotaur. The rest is plastic stock pinned togther with brass rod/paperclips. I have got this half painted now but i think i green stuffed the rest. Im using the sword from the small avatar i had spare, but i started out carve plastic stock into a sword, but mine ended up to small and i found the avatar before i got round to starting again.

edit: i just learned to do this image tag business, did you guess? photobucket makes it soooo easy.

ooooohhhhh and its my 100th post too!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:39 am 
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I love it! Looks like you actually are posing the models. That's pretty impressive. Do you use superglue or plastic glue? Do you glue the plastic in place, then carve?

So, you obviously don't find GS too hard to manipulate at that scale. Any tips?

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Great work Doc ! :;):

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Hi!

Neat stuff!

Congrats on the 100th post Doc!

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Happy hundredth - and looking forward to seing those completed! :D

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So, how could I ensure that these things stay stuck without clogging what little detail there is too badly? Super glue possibly? I have pretty much always been using PVA/White glue.


When converting plastics, some liquid plastic glue (Revell, Model Master or somesuch) is a must. You can apply minuscule amounts and with such small parts the result is quaranteed. Furthermore, you have more time to do adjustments than with superglue.

Plastic sprues and plasticard are both very useful. Like Doc says, you can do almost anything with a sharp knife.

Here are a couple of conversions of mine, a Damocles Rhino and an uncompleted  Squat engineering walker converted from the "walking egg" Sentinel and a Squat warrior whose gun had snapped. The arms are a couple of assault cannons from a plastic Chaos dreadnought.

EDIT: I'm getting old. The walker is not a walking egg but the body of the abovementioned "ED-209" Mk.1 Chaos Dreadnought.  :blush:  :oops:

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Ok, forgot to attach the images.  :oops: Here's Damocles, sorry about the pic quality. fortunately the antenna shows adequately.

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Here's the walker. The thingy showing on the upper right corner is not part of the walker but some diagnostic apparatus for the (yet unstarted) chief engineer "Grumpy" Van Vlak.  :D

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Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 16 Jan. 2006 (09:00))
.... for the (yet unstarted) chief engineer "Grumpy" Van Vlak. ?:D

UNSTARTED!?! That WOULD make him SO grumpy! :angry: Hope we get to see my alter ego eventually. Same date as the Ordinatus St.Piett, I guess....

Nice work Mojarn - especially the Damocles.  :D

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Drassannar also did a wonderfull article on sculpting for Incoming It also has a nice section about various materials and techniques.

http://www.netepic.org/EZINE/files/I022.pdf

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Fantastic work, Doc.

Copngrats on the 100th post! :cool:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:15 pm 
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I typed this last night but my internet buggered up before i got chance to post it, hence i have said some things that have already been said.

Glue: At first I thought at this scale it didn't matter weather I used super glue or poly cement. But poly cement seems to hold better. I think it may also be down to how its applied as well as how it works. As its hard to control the flow of super glue out of the nozzle, but my poly cement has a brush to apply it with, which does make it a bit easier to get the right amount where you want it.

Carving plastic: I try and carve as much plastic before it gets put on the model as possible. This has the advantage that you aren't trying to hold a delicate mini, but the disadvantage that you might get carried away and make things too small (I think the legs on the deamon prince are too small, for this reason). Theres a saying.... "measure twice cut once" ...so take your time and check your work regulary and everything should be good.

Greenstuff: I am no expert here. There is/was a member of this forum that wrote a fantastic thread on sculpting, Drasannar, here's a link to the thread. And I believe it was also added to Incoming! as a popper article. Maybe one of the other guys will be able to help finding that as I cant find the link.
For me the most important thing I learned from Drasannar was to let the putty dry. Just because it is soft and malleable doesn't mean you have to do all the sculpting of it in that state.

My secret to converting at 6mm: Its all an illusion, you don't have to get the size/shape/structure of your conversion perfect. You just have to suggest the correct size/shape/structure. God I sound like some sort of philosopher. So here is an example, everyone knows what Abaddon the Despoiler looks like right. Well here is my conversion of him. I haven't really got any of the details perfect. I have just suggested the appropriate shape.
The easy ones to spot are... the sword is a bit fat and short, the trophy racks are missing two poles, and the lightning claw doesn't have enough talons.
However, because you all know what he looks like and what the model represents, and he is painted in the right colours, you all see Abaddon (well hopefully you do).

Have a look at what others have done, Lextar has a site with all his conversions on it in step by step stages. I think Sotec does too, and no doubt there are others that i cant think of at the moment.
Also have a look through the Epicomms competition entries, both this years and last years (if they are still available somewhere, possibly in the Incoming! mag), there will be some good ideas for you there too.





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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:08 am 
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Thanks all. Really inspiring stuff. And Doc, I agree wholeheartedly about the "suggestion" of detail, which is why I like this scale. That and games fits on my card table.

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