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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:11 am 
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Heh, google tells me that's "afraid not"... I get the idea.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:26 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 07 Jun. 2009, 00:07 )

Oh, and if you have finished the Nashor, what about Unordered Land Plünderer and Unordered Fürchternichts?  :laugh:

... yeah, Land Raiders & Dreadnoughts !  :vD   Now I like the standard non-order markings ...  Could you just to doors & front hull galis plates with the other Powers' marking ?  That way you could produce the Standard Nashorn now ?  And then other doors etc. in the other Powers ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:07 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 07 Jun. 2009, 00:07 )

Oh, and if you have finished the Nashor, what about Unordered Land Plünderer and Unordered Fürchternichts? �:laugh:

... yeah, Land Raiders & Dreadnoughts !  :vD   Now I like the standard non-order markings ...  Could you just to doors & front hull galis plates with the other Powers' marking ?  That way you could produce the Standard Nashorn now ?  And then other doors etc. in the other Powers ?

If I understood you correct:

yes, of course I could do a ordered version as well as different legion markings. However, having front plates also modular makes the model quite ... complex and I'm not sure if this will cast.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:13 pm 
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Coming up next ... non-ordered "Raubtier" variant.

Basically this is the Raubtier version, using the same hull.

Option 1:
I could do the model modular (that is: side doors and upper front & back parts .. but I'm not sure if this is feasible. In this way it would be possible to create both Nashorn and Raubtier from the same hull. Possible door (side and upper) as well as upper front parts for the Nashorn would be possible. Not sure if it is feasible (from casting point of view) to have so many modular parts.

Option 2:
Make Nashorn a single-piece model (i.e. no modular parts except spikes) and do another hull for the Raubtier (turret and side doors separate).


Any suggestions? Not sure if it is feasible (from casting point of view) to have so many modular parts.


P.S. Small "arrows" in front view are not part of the model, another piece was in front when I took the screenshot).





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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:19 pm 
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This is what it could look like - more parts could be added (they all have a flat surface on the backside, allows for (hopefully) easy casting ...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:29 am 
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Oh that looks outstanding!! Great job, now I will have to have a chaos army!! :devil:




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very cool 8v)  not a great fan of the spikes but then they are optional anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:18 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:44 pm 
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Fast progress! Coming on great  :agree:  

I do have some constructive criticisms / suggestions for improvements / obsessive requests for detail however:

Is it possible to get small hemispherical (or cylindrical - but hemispherical fulfil the same purpose and I suspect might be easier to cast) indentations on the side and front of the barrels of the heavy bolters, the fronts of the barrels of the lascannons and also on the the top of the four exhausts? Even if these are tiny and not very deep they should be noticeable and be the sort of detail that will show up nicely when a black wash goes over the metal colour on there. If you do these you could also do some very tiny hemispherical indentations around the sides of the exhausts and also do the ridge with the squared bits on the top properly too. Personally I suggest taking a leaf out of E&C's book and model it as much detail and resolution as possible - if it prints and come out fantastic (and judging by the printed Malcador's detail it may very well), if not no real loss apart from a little extra time spent.  

Your rivets look muchly over-sized! Please could you not have them smaller and subtler? The ones E&C did for his Malcador had a radius of just 0.2mm diameter and they did print - see here. You can get away with out of scale massive rivets on Guard tanks, but for higher-tech Marines ones it just looks wrong. Frankly I'd rather have no rivets if it came to it than over-sized ones.

The bit above the heavy bolters, like a column or support it hangs down from is way to wide - it should be only be like 25% as wide as that! The wider bit above that looks too deep too, nowhere near as bad as the column, but it looks like it do with loosing half or nearly half of it's depth.

Could you make the ammo-feed look better? It should be a belt-fed chain of ammo, but at the moment looks a big detail-less circular hopper. Simple way would be to have the middle indented a little (even if it can only be a tiny bit in - it will still be there and able to be neatly blacked out in painting). A better, but little more time consuming, way could be to model a connected chain of rectangles or something like that (even if they need to be connected by an indented middle for moulding).  

The spikes currently aren't doing it for me, would ones more like the ones on the W40k model not work at all?

I like sound of option 1 a lot, but can't really advise about feasibility.

It's a fantastic model already :) Well done  :D  I just see room for making it even more special and higher quality for everyone's benefit :smile: (hope you're happy to have feedback rather than resenting it)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:48 pm 
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Your rivets look muchly over-sized! Please could you not have them smaller and subtler? The ones E&C did for his Malcador had a radius of just 0.2mm diameter and they did print - see here. You can get away with out of scale massive rivets on Guard tanks, but for higher-tech Marines ones it just looks wrong. Frankly I'd rather have no rivets if it came to it than over-sized ones.


A note of caution, in that I wouldn't be surprised if many of the rivets on my Malcafloor didn't survive the Bronzing process.

If they were made in Resin of course, it'd be easy to replicate those tiny details.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:09 pm 
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Quote: (GlynG @ 08 Jun. 2009, 12:44 )

Fast progress! Coming on great  :agree:  

I do have some constructive criticisms / suggestions for improvements / obsessive requests for detail however:

Is it possible to get small hemispherical (or cylindrical - but hemispherical fulfil the same purpose and I suspect might be easier to cast) indentations on the side and front of the barrels of the heavy bolters, the fronts of the barrels of the lascannons and also on the the top of the four exhausts? Even if these are tiny and not very deep they should be noticeable and be the sort of detail that will show up nicely when a black wash goes over the metal colour on there. If you do these you could also do some very tiny hemispherical indentations around the sides of the exhausts and also do the ridge with the squared bits on the top properly too. Personally I suggest taking a leaf out of E&C's book and model it as much detail and resolution as possible - if it prints and come out fantastic (and judging by the printed Malcador's detail it may very well), if not no real loss apart from a little extra time spent.  

Your rivets look muchly over-sized! Please could you not have them smaller and subtler? The ones E&C did for his Malcador had a radius of just 0.2mm diameter and they did print - see here. You can get away with out of scale massive rivets on Guard tanks, but for higher-tech Marines ones it just looks wrong. Frankly I'd rather have no rivets if it came to it than over-sized ones.

The bit above the heavy bolters, like a column or support it hangs down from is way to wide - it should be only be like 25% as wide as that! The wider bit above that looks too deep too, nowhere near as bad as the column, but it looks like it do with loosing half or nearly half of it's depth.

Could you make the ammo-feed look better? It should be a belt-fed chain of ammo, but at the moment looks a big detail-less circular hopper. Simple way would be to have the middle indented a little (even if it can only be a tiny bit in - it will still be there and able to be neatly blacked out in painting). A better, but little more time consuming, way could be to model a connected chain of rectangles or something like that (even if they need to be connected by an indented middle for moulding).  

The spikes currently aren't doing it for me, would ones more like the ones on the W40k model not work at all?

I like sound of option 1 a lot, but can't really advise about feasibility.

It's a fantastic model already :) Well done  :D  I just see room for making it even more special and higher quality for everyone's benefit :smile: (hope you're happy to have feedback rather than resenting it)

Feedback is always welcome, will just delay printing (as I'm a perfectionist  :;):

- Indentations on bolters etc.: Can do, did already plan on improving the bolter

- Rivets: my first version had much smaller rivets, however due to suggestion from Otter I changed them to 0.4mm width (bottom) and 0.3mm width (top) and 0.3mm height (so they are not really that big). I'm unsure however what to do: doing smaller rivets is technically no problem but if they do not cast correctly ...

- Bolter "mounting": I can reduce the width of the column, however as the model needs to be cast it has to at least reach the back (door) part. I could however reduce the depth. Regarding the "wider bit" - I assume you think of the top bolter mounting part? All sizes are measured from the 40k model so they should be correct. However, I will check this part again and add some detail to it.

- Ammo-feed: Can do (already planned to do)

- Spikes: will create a new version, however I'm unsure if 40k style spiks (which are very thin) will be castable ...


Keep the feedback coming ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:23 pm 
Generally speaking, undercuts of .2 to .4 mm are forgivable by spin cast molds.

Pieces with more substantial undercuts can be spun-cast, but chew up the molds fairly quickly. My turtable clamp on the Zombie Robot War Machine is already showing signs of failure.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:10 pm 
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Update:

- New spike variant
- Updated exhaust vents


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Update:

- Changed bolter


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:51 pm 
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Quote: (Nik @ 07 Jun. 2009, 22:07 )

Quote: (Legion 4 @ 07 Jun. 2009, 19:26 )

Quote: (BlackLegion @ 07 Jun. 2009, 00:07 )

Oh, and if you have finished the Nashor, what about Unordered Land Plünderer and Unordered Fürchternichts? �:laugh:

... yeah, Land Raiders & Dreadnoughts !  :vD   Now I like the standard non-order markings ...  Could you just to doors & front hull galis plates with the other Powers' marking ?  That way you could produce the Standard Nashorn now ?  And then other doors etc. in the other Powers ?

If I understood you correct:

yes, of course I could do a ordered version as well as different legion markings. However, having front plates also modular makes the model quite ... complex and I'm not sure if this will cast.

Not problem ... regardless, I'm sure the end results will be great !  Everything looks pretty to me ... :agree:

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