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Tactical Command's Epic Line
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:37 am 
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When you think about it, DRM & E/W are  the "defacto" Tac Cmd line !  :D  They were thinking about going together on a line, but decided to have a go at it seperately ... Which works out better for us !  TWO new 6mm sci-fi lines !  :D      Works for me !     :laugh:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:08 am 
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Yeah DRM and EW are what I'm talkin' bout.

Now if only they'd make a big wheel and a big crab with guns... :D :p

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:11 am 
I am curious as to the legal status of people like Scibor and Golden Demon winner league sculptors.

They create and sell single items steeped in more GW iconography and intellectual 'property' than GW's own piles of skulls.

Are their activities not benefitting from GW's groundwork?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:17 am 
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I'm pretty sure one or both will make something like Chaos in the future ! :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:53 am 
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(Markconz @ Jan. 27 2007,01:08)
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a big crab with guns... :D :p

Oh, ah... pencil-sense tingling...

I am curious as to the legal status of people like Scibor

I was actually thinking about him in my last post, wondering how he'd fit into the one-off/reproduction scale.
Rumour I've heard is that thanks to being located in Poland, which apparently has bigger problems than copyright laws (that's the generous interpretation), he just plain gets away with it.

The Creators of DRM & E/W are Epic-philes and are "saving" 6mm sci-fi, with these ever growing excellent lines !
I can't agree more, and not just because you've drilled it into us. :;): :laugh:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:15 am 
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Well ... I have my methods !  I mean the US Army convinced me to jump out of a perfectly good Aircraft while in flight, repeatedly !  So I picked up a few  techinques !  :;):

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:07 am 
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paradrops....been there done that...except mine was a charity run.....less flak involved....

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:52 am 
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(Otterman @ Jan. 27 2007,01:11)
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I am curious as to the legal status of people like Scibor and Golden Demon winner league sculptors.

They create and sell single items steeped in more GW iconography and intellectual 'property' than GW's own piles of skulls.

Are their activities not benefitting from GW's groundwork?

I'm sorry for having taken this into a massive legal thread, I started out just trying to make sure Tac Comms wouldn't get into trouble ?:blush:

I should also note that all my knowledge is of the UK system, since this is where I've worked in various areas of Wargaming for the past 6 years. I am certainly no expert, but I have done considerable reading, including talking directly to GW legal department on a few occasions. Other rules do certainly apply elsewhere, and I am not at all familiar with those (although I understood the US was very similar to the UK on this).


With Regards Scibor & the chest of colours crew, yes They are profiting from GW IP. And yes, if it were UK based, GW could prosecute. I dont know about Poland's situation.

The loophole is this:
In amongst GWs legal small prints (and yes, with my work I have unfortunately read them a few years ago!) they specifically allow the use of parts of their miniatures in one off models for your own collections.

There is also no way of GW stoping you selling off old collections.

The problem would come if they were casting them.

Or indeed, could be shown to be creating them specifically for profit rather than personal use.

Thus the matter is more one of protecting TacComms. Its CS's call, but I would suggest you avoid it being seen to be a center for commissioning pieces based on GW IP.
If you're thinking nobody's going to know, I know studio members personally who do pop in occasionally. If their contracts are similar to that which I've held with GW in the past, they are contractually obliged to report such things. I dont know if they would & expect they wouldn't, I'm just letting you know.

That'll be my last legal waffle on the matter. I've pretty much said all I know & once again I apologise for steering the thread into a massive grey area.

In Summary:
1) Its technically illegal.
2) You are unlikely to get held up for it on this small a scale.
3) but the risk is there & for the forums, so I'd suggest forming a new "inner circle" mailing list & organise it there. Invite who you wish fromthese forums to join.
4) Make sure you post pictures of greens here of anything made - those of us who cant activley join in still want to see what you produce by way of new pieces :blues: ?:;):

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:06 pm 
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Ok...what i seem to understand is that, though hard to do, we must not do it for ANY profit....

Ok....

so maybe Exodus Wars and DRM could accept somethings we've made for their lines...if the stuff is good of course...




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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:39 pm 
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My thoughts would echo Tuffskulls- ive been slightly uneasy at the discussions of casting GW stuff for profit here solely in terms of I wouldnt want Tac Command or Cybershadow to suffer any fall-out.

Having said all that, i really enjoy seeing the quality work people have been posting here and hope it continues :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:46 pm 
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hmmm...the problem is we cant even recast models with parts of GW models..which is unfrtunate because most things are great additions....

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:03 pm 
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hmmm...the problem is we cant even recast models with parts of GW models..which is unfrtunate because most things are great additions....

I think there is an additional problem that you cant cast things that even look substantially like GW IP.  

Having said that, one of the reasons GW's stuff is so appealing is the way it is recognisably similar to other Sci-Fi/historical entities, ie theyve done plenty of ripping off i teh past  :p

It may be that there are things that are already existing and are un copyrightable that are used by GW, such as
the aquila symbol.  These could be possible to incorporate into designs I would imagine.  However you would have to design an aquila that is sufficiently different that it doesnt look like the GW one.  Then this brings the question of why bother making it look like a cheap knock off of the GW IP, why not make it different.  Better even.  Enter DRM & E:W.    :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:21 pm 
Well said, TuffSkull.

And to restate my position for GW employees and agents: I don't sell recasts for money. I may mold items as spare parts (e.g. an Imperator Titan femur), but these are given as gifts. Other molding projects are for my own education and entertainment.

Now, I'm going to get ready to go to GW Grapevine Mills here in Dallas. They're having a 20% off sale for White Dwarf subscribers, and I'm going to give them some money. Too bad they don't have any BFG...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:20 pm 
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Like I mentioned ... and some echoed, more or less ... DRM & E/W will be making a lot of new models in '07 ... And only they know what the near future releases are.  And I'm not speaking for them, and I don't know their take on doing  other stuff ?   But ... we'll have to wait and see !  :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:39 pm 
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I am going to close this topic at this point, as it seems to have reached a stable position with no further development. I do want to add a few points in closing...

The issue of casting and such is something that we do take very seriously here. There has been considerable debate 'behind the scenes' between myself and the mods regarding many threads.

Support GW when they produce something that we like, so that they know. Support other manufacturers where they produce suitable miniatures to fill holes in the GW lines, so that other makers are encouraged and GW notice.

Whatever peoples personal opinion, GW/SG provide us with the toys that we love (as do other makers). Anything which harms GW ultimately hurts us, too.

If people want to make conversions of interesting stuff, using GW/SG bits (even en mass) and use them for trades, then that is fine. For example, if I came up with a cool Tyranid Harridan using 40K Tyranid bits, built a load using shop-bought parts, then I can use them as a trade. This is great.

Any process which, at any point in its construction, involves replicating a GW part, is against legal and board regulations.

As far as I am aware, making 'backup' versions of software, movies and music is different from other products, since you are actually buying the music, and not necessarily the CD medium which it is supplied on. This is different for most other items.

I also wanted to send my appreciation to all for conducting this thread maturely and sensibly. I have seen similar threads on other boards become explosive.

Thank you.

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