Thanks for all the comments, they are appreciated.


Close your eyes, clear your mind of all your doubts, fears, dreams and wishes (don't fall asleep so), take a deep breath, open your eyes and look at the images of the Stormboyz and answer as honestly as possible, wether they look like GW Orks to you, regardless of scale.
If you wouldn't be an "Epic insider" and would not know about that thread and look at them, would you think GW finally made a smaller version of Orks or would you think that there is a new game system with Otherworldly Rampaging Kreatures fighting for supremacy ?



I do not want to imply that I know more about painting than you do, but as I do not know what you’re exactly after, I just went the full Monty, to have all bases covered.

I work always on batches of miniatures, usually grouped by model. One group consists of Flak wagons, one of tanks with turret type 1 and so on.
For psychological reasons I brake groups with more than 6 models further down.

Despite having groups, I will work color for color on the complete batch, group for group.

When drybrush follows drybrush, the last should be dry before starting the next one - when the batch is large and/or the weather dry enough the drybrushes can succeed without wait.

What I did to paint the vehicles

Black undercoat (GW primer)
Drybrush with silver (Army Painter Plate mail silver)
Drybrush with red (Army painter pure red)
Second Drybrush with red (Army Painter pure red, Blood red is also a good choice)
Dark gray for the tires painted on as exactly as possible.
[EditForgot a light gray drybrush on the profile of the tires][/Edit]
„Quickly“ repainting areas black that should be silver,
„Sloppy“ silver paint - bit like a wet drybrush - which give stronger color than a drybrush, but is not as exact as „real painting“
Blue for the windows, relatively heavy (Army Painter Deep Blue).
Blue mixed with lots of white - a bit more watered down than usual - for the window high light.
White for the parts that shall be „bright“ i.e. yellow.
Citadel Golden Yellow for the maw.
Correct spills and such.
Wait a bit longer to make sure everything is dry.
Wash over all (Army Painter Dark Tone ). Make sure the widows do not fill completely.
Wait to make sure everything is dry.
If there is anything that shall stand out, retouch it.
Silk Varnish (some German DIY stores house brand - so this will not help)

How I paint the infantry

Black undercoat (GW primer)
White drybrush.
Paint the shirts. See below
Paint the trousers. See below
Paint „leather“ parts dark gray or darker brown.
Paint „metal pieces“ black.
„Sloppy“ paint „metal pieces“ silver.
Correct spills and such.
Wait a bit longer to make sure everything is dry.
Wash over all (Army Painter Dark Tone ).
Wait to make sure everything is dry.
Painting skin (Model Color Pastel Green)
Correct spills and such.
Wait a bit longer to make sure everything is dry.
Wash over skin (Citadel Thakka green).
Controlled wash over skin (Citadel Thakka green). It’s not a real wash, just apply the wash to places that look to bright or to the face if it’s features look too flat. Also apply to any creases that define the muscles, so they stand out better.
Wait to make sure everything is dry.
Correct spills and such.
Silk Varnish (some German DIY stores house brand - so this will not help)

My Orcs are not all dressed the same but are still uniformly dressed.
For Orcs I use „earthen“ colors for the clothes.
Some bone-white, some medium brown, some yellowish brown and some terracotta.
When I split the miniatures in groups, I have multiples of 4 groups. The groups are in this case not sorted by model. Each group get’s it shirt painted in one of the colors.
Than I regroup the models, so that in each group there is no shirt of one of the colors and the others colors are as evenly represented as possible. This group will get the trousers painted in the „missing“ color.
Once the clothes are painted it makes sense to group them by model to speed up painting.

That is exactly the information I was looking for. Thank you for providing it.

To put this in context, it's about IP.
If there is a chance that the models look like "derived work", there might be legal problems, when the stuff is made available to people other than family and personal friends even if it not done for profit.

I understand your concerns and totally respect your decision, it was more wishful thinking than anything....

It did occur to me, athough I would say 'orcs with steampunk rocket packs' is pretty IP neutral, certainly no more infringing than some of the openly available proxy models on the market now....

as long as you keep creating and sharing your finished models I'm happy (and a little jealous!)

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Nice work. What software you use for modelling?

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I use Cinema 4D, I'm used to it and it has a lot of features, but I'd say, it's a bit more suited for creating images and videos than files for 3D printing.

Starting afresh I'd probably look at Rhino first - that doesn't mean that I wouldn't end up with Cinema, because the way it works appeals to me.

Derived, as in the form of "whatever"+"Orks"? The kind that is the core business idea and foundation of GW? I think you are safe. But I do understand your decision. Wonderfull creations you have here. Keep going!

I think I'll go reread the sections in the CH vs GW where they try to explain why, exactly, their stuff is more unique than anyone else's. Funny stuff.

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Great work. I love the way you have brought out full spread of Orkish variability and ramshackle uniqueness.

When I first started my Epic Ork army, I wanted to ensure that did complete formations of 2nd ed SM cards. I eaw the light when I
saw a friend's conversions. Ever since I tried to include small conversions in my 6mm Ork tanks, even if as simple as a weapon swap or turret swap. What you have done is take my meager efforts to completely different higher level lAwesome Orks.

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Nothing really new. But for those interested in 3D stuff I added some information and images of the Ork army design to the web site. It's a bit sobering or encouraging, when you see how simple the models are.

http://brumbaer.de/index.php/3d-printing/34-epicorks

Have a nice weekend.

very interesting-
thanks

great work - it's enjoyable watching your design process, especially with the caricature.

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Caricature ?
Soryy, English isn't my first language and dict.leos translation of caricature doesn't really help - or I just don't understand it's application

Hadn't read this thread in a while! Just wanted to chime in with all the comments from the last few pages. This army is awesome! I especially enjoy the stompa-proxies and the aircraft, splendid!

Wow, inspiring stuff. I've been spending some time at your web sight and am thankful for the work you have done so we can drink from you cup. Please keep it coming!

Needed a rest from the Orks.

I always wanted to complement my Pretorian army with some steam punky Space Marines.

I thought SMs of the 1860eth decade would probably look like knights with some steam device as a back pack.

So that's where the design comes from. These are normally sized models. Interim I tried some wider and deeper models, mainly to allow me to have ordinary troopers that look slimmer in comparison. But I didn't like the proportions, so I came back to this.


There are ordinary marines and Assault Marines. I like the gun and chainsword of the Assault Marines, but most poses are are to stiff and I will have to "repose" most of them. It's interesting that I sometimes need a painted model to really judge something like a poase.
The poses of the ordinary Marines are ok, there is a second set of poses with Marines firing standing and kneeling. No photos yet.


The Land Speeder was a bit difficult as steam powered, small and skimming didn't seem to go well with each other.
But I think the double Zeppelin approach may be plausible in a steam punk way.


The single most important vehicle is the Rhino as it is the base for so many other vehicles.
Ready to be carved up.


This time I didn't for comparable size but designed the model so that 10 Marines plus 2 drivers would really fit into the vehicle and had access points to embark quickly.

The first model was overly large and I trimmed it down by removing wasted space.
This resulted in a model that looked more fitting.

I liked the track section with the two large wheels immediately, but the large wheels forced the side doors to be relatively thin. A man Marine would still have been able to pass, but it didn't seem right.
So I tried smaller wheels which made the door wider, but didn't look as good as the large wheels.
In the end I setled for a variant with large wheels and moved them a bid farther to the ends.

The predator was relatively straight forward - why I choose the one with the broken sponson gun only god knows. There is a version with commandant and one with closed hatch.

The main problem with the Whirlwind, was to make it a bit steam punky. In the end I just added some brass cogs and initiator wires.
The Hunter uses some ear trumpet listening devices to guide it's single rocket. It's more convincing than an radar dish. With hindsight I might have used only one ear trumpet and give it a more asymmetrical look.
Probably try that out later.

All in all I'm content. There are some minor corrections to be made and than I'm busy for a while with other things before starting on the missing SM and Ork troop types.