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I would just like to take this opportunity to state that I am always looking for another Hellbore!  :D

I am no fan of the CI, but the Hellbore is a great model!

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Legion 4
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2003 4:58 pm 
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Yes Tuff, I know, and I always appreciate your predilection for camo/tactical colors. All of my models, save a few (very few) are tactical - gray, tan, green etc., Circus colors belong in the circus ... :laugh:  I know about  knights heraldry and even the Flying Circus take on it, but that just does not work for me. Or them since both are in the History books !!!  :laugh:  And CyberShadow - they are releasing a new CI, as you probably know, so I look foward to that and who knows, you might like it ...   :;):

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Chris
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Tuff, If I know you well, you will most likely paint up the Hellbore and CI to an amazing standard and then sell them at 1000% profit on eBay. Or you could sell them on here...

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2003 6:11 pm 
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LOL, I wish the profit margins were that good Chris! If I get the equivelent of ?5 an hour from an ebay sale, I'm doing well.

But yes, It's looking like I'll have to sell all my old Titan Legion soon. Whether I keep the Hellbore and one of my CI's remains undecided, but they'll certainly both get painted soon enough  :D

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Chris
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Sell you Titan Legion? I would guess that would be on eBay as well. How many titans does that include? Does it include your FW ones as well? Again, you could sell them on here...

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2003 7:54 pm 
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Once its been repainted, the "legion" will be:
6 Warlord Titans (though I'll probably try and keep 3), 3 Reavers, 6 Warhounds.
I dont use titans on the normal legion organisation in my forces. In mine, all large praetorian style vehicles come under a support corps so I'll also be selling:
1 or 2 Leviathans (I might keep 1)
1 Capitol imperialis
3 Moles (as seen)
10 Knights

They're all the oldstyle models. I might try and keep a few of the Warlord Titans as noted because, quite simply, I like them a lot and cant bear to sell ALL of them, but as needs must the rest will be sold when they've had their refits completed.

And I would be happy to sell them through here Chris. However I've sided with ebay in the past because I'm afriad I need to get as near top dollar for them as I can to clear my debts. Selling them on here or in any other private sale I worry that I either dont get as much as I could have on ebay or that I'm overcharging to people I really dont want to rip off! On ebay everyone has the chance to bid whatever amount they're happy with so it seems to make sense on all fronts.

If anyone wants to make a serious offer on any part of the legion then please do email me.  :D
Sorry if it seems I'm not being loyal to the site/boards  :{

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Chris
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2003 9:33 pm 
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Quote (TuffSkull @ 27 2003 May,19:54)
I dont use titans on the normal legion organisation in my forces.

What is the standard legion organisation? Is it printed in Adeptus Titanicus or something, because I have never seen it!

What are the knights that you have? I "aquired" 12 of the seriously old Wardens and Lancers and 3 Errants. I think they are class.

As for CI's, I think (as with a few others) that I would like to see the new model before I try and buy an old style one.

Don't worry about selling your stuff on eBay rather than on here. It's understandable that you need to make top $$$ on your models.

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AT1 says at least 8 per Order (10,000 points) and the Campaign Roster in the back of the rule book has 20 slots. SM2 says a Legion has as few as 12 and as many as 100. SM2/TL has Tech Guard infantry [Cards] (in SM1 they were called Scutarii) and tanks plus Ordinatus Vehicles, with the Titan Legion. There is fluff thru out the rules, journals etc.  This may require more research ...  ???

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 28 2003 May,14:52)
This may require more research ... ????

Especially as the EoT teaser is reporting involved Titan Forces in Legio and Demi-Legio strengths, plus 80+ Regts of Skitarii

As an ORBAT freak (like you :;): ) I just HAVE to know.

Sadly I know that, knowing that, I will then feel compelled to have that available to put on the table :)

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I don't know if I'm an Orbat or TO&E frak, but I also like to know what the "official" unit strengths are for the game.

From my reading of fluff, a Titan Legion appears to be anything from a half a dozen Titans to well over a hundred. However, I guess it really doesn't matter since one is generally enough to dominate most combat against rebels. The only time any significant number of Titans would be needed is against other groups of Titans.

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Probably like most everyone else here, I'm really curious about the Urban combat system you're developing with Legion-4, Tas.

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Well after a bit of research, AT1, SM2/TL, CJ21, etc. ?G/W appears to have never come up with a Standard TO&E for a Titan Legion ... if anyone else knows of one let me/us know. SM1/2 - a Titan Order/Legion is 8-100+ Titans, so that leaves us a lot of room. ?My call - 8 to 20(+) Titans in a Legion (?). ?Tech Guard (SM2)/Skutarii(SM1)/Skitarii(CJ21 & recent W/D) are deploy with the Titan Legions. These forces include Tech-Guard Titan Def. Cos., Mech Cos., Mech Asslt Cos., plus Knight dets., Robot dets., as well as most vehicle dets. available to the IG. This is a melding of SM2/TL & the E40K rules in CJ21. ?Plus Ordinatus vehicles (SM2), can be part of a Titan Legion. ?Confused yet !? ??? ?So my Template for a Titan Legion has all those listed. ?Here's our take on it, right, wrong or indifferent (?). In SM1 25% of total battle force points may be spent on Titans. If Tech-Guard are deployed with Titans than 50% may be spent. Including Titan(s), TG and Ordinatus vehicle. ?Example: 3000 point total force level for the game - 1500 on say SMs, Squats, whatever, 1500 on Titan(s), TG, and one Ordinatus (Ordinatus may only be deployed if TG is deployed with Titan(s) [SM2] ). Example: 600 pts = Titans, 600 pts = TG, + 300 = Ordinatus = 1500 pts. ?So what would that look like - 1-3 Titans, a TG Co., 1-4 IG AFVs and/or Knights + 1 Ordinatus vehicle. ?More "Hybrid" rules, but these are NOT offical rules. Even the CJ article by G. Thorpe makes that clear !!! ? So as often in Epic rules, we are left on our own ! :angry: ?Good things the G/W boyz didn't do the OPPLAN/OPORD for Normandy. ?Naval, Air, beach obstacles, resupply, Medevac, etc., etc., they surely would have forgot something !!! ?:laugh:

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...To reply to what Chris said- yeah, the old knights are great, I managed to aquire a very few of the old Paladins a year or so ago, and recently stripped and repainted them in some nice heraldric colours... They do look rather good.. :D

-They are somewhat superior to the TL/SM2 era ones, which look a bit "static" for me, tho the Baron model was great!

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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 28 2003 May,23:36)
I don't know if I'm an Orbat or TO&E freak

Sorry about that Max, I was referring to L4 whom I was quoting.  Most Military guys are by necessity ORBAT freaks, its the way of life and it rubs off onto your gaming :;):

>G/W appears to have never come up with a Standard TO&E >for a Titan Legion ...

I find that annoying, but typically vague.  It allows GW to come up with anything at all later on and say, well the Imperium is BIG so there is no "standard template".

>SM1/2 - a Titan Order/Legion is 8-100+ Titans, so that >leaves us a lot of room.  My call - 8 to 20(+) Titans in a >Legion (?).  

Yeah...but the terms "Quarto" and "Demi" Legio stuff that up a bit.  Unless you want to say thata typical "Quarto" legion is 5 Titans, a "Demi-Legio" is 10 Titans, which makes a "Typical" Titan Legion (of 4 quartos organised in 2 demis) around 20 Titans (ie a square organisational structure rather than the usual triangle).  Of course a Legio can have additional Demis attached as assets become available.

Then there is the whole "which Titan" argument...Is a Titan in the organisation an Imperator?  Warlord?  Warhound?  Is there a ratio to balance them up (ie 2 Warhounds = 1 warlord?)

I would then suggest that a Titan Legio is assigned Skitirii Regts in support as available, or possibly on a 1 Regt per Demi Legion ratio.

I understood from fluff that Centurio Ordinatus formations were seperate to the Titan Legios...

So thats my 2 cents worth to pile up next to Legion 4s!

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>Probably like most everyone else here, I'm really curious >about the Urban combat system you're developing with >Legion-4, Tas.

Yeah- sorry about that too- didnt mean to tease!  Its is just a bunch of notes right now that in due course we hope will become a playable campaign mechansim for urban epic battles, and be independnant of what version of epic is being used.  When its ready you'll see it...promise! :L

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Tas, based on CJ21, the Adeptus Mechanicus actually have 2 forces at their disposal, The Titan Legions and TG that support them. And the Ordinatus Vehicles actually belong to them (SM2/TL). And Skitarii Rgts are assigned to the Titan Legions for campaigns. They are actually the PDFs of the Forge Worlds where the Titans are built.  So you are right on that account too.  Speaking of campaigns, we printed your download on the Epic Cityfight Campaign System and will be reviewing them during our slow times. Thanks !!! :D

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I don't think that there is a standard organisation for a Titan Legion. And because of this, I think that the terms Quatro and Demi legions do not refer to a standard organisation, but only states that either a quater or half of the legion is present at the conflict. A total Adeptus Mech. Force would (in my view) include the following:

Titan Legion
Attached TG/Skitarii
Attached Knight Households
Attached Ordinaii

Make sense? I think it does, and it is very simple.

What do you think

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