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MW (TK) attacks on mixed formations.
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Author:  Onyx [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:47 am ]
Post subject:  MW (TK) attacks on mixed formations.
G'day all.

This is something that I've never felt 100% confident about.

Can a MW attack on a mixed formation (containing both Inf and Av) choose to hit either AV or Inf targets or is it simply, hit whichever unit is closest?

The rules state that Macro-weapons can affect any type of target.

I know that all normal AP/AT attacks are worked out before MW attacks. I just need to know if a MW attack can bypass some Infantry stands to attack the Superheavies further back.

I've always played it as hit whatever is nearest first.

Cheers,
Steve.
Author:  Spectrar Ghost [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:19 am ]
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That is certainly my understanding, but I'd welcome more authoritative confirmation.

SG
Author:  Chroma [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:28 am ]
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Quote: (Onyx @ Jan. 16 2010, 03:47 )

I've always played it as hit whatever is nearest first.

This is correct, but the allocation of MW hits happens after AT/AP hits have been assigned and resolved.

Firing at targets in cover/not in cover can modify the "nearest first" a bit though.
Author:  Onyx [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:34 am ]
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Cheers Chroma  :agree:
Author:  gandr [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:24 am ]
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but rules sais that if there are any WE in formation, that you can decide if you want to fire at WE or ordinary troops. of this i am quite sure


and i think that you can choose if you want to target inf or AV with MW attack...but of this iam not sure (iam at work and cant study the rulebook now)
Author:  Morgan Vening [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:16 pm ]
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Quote: (gandr @ Jan. 16 2010, 08:24 )

but rules sais that if there are any WE in formation, that you can decide if you want to fire at WE or ordinary troops. of this i am quite sure


and i think that you can choose if you want to target inf or AV with MW attack...but of this iam not sure (iam at work and cant study the rulebook now)

That first part is correct. The second isn't.

When firing, you make the following 3 choices.
Will I fire AP or AT? Section 1.9.5 (irrelevant for Macro. Section 2.2.7)
Will I fire into or out of cover? Section 1.8.2 and special note in 1.9.5 table.
Will I fire at WM or non-WM? Section 3.2.1

There was some discussion that MW be rewritten as a special ability like Lance (ie, written as AP5+/AT5+ MW, to allow more specific targetting and exclusions), but that hasn't happened yet.

Morgan Vening
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:23 pm ]
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Quote: 

There was some discussion that MW be rewritten as a special ability like Lance (ie, written as AP5+/AT5+ MW, to allow more specific targetting and exclusions), but that hasn't happened yet.


That form has already crept into some lists (such as the Minervan Tank Legion), everyone understands it and nobody has complained about it.
Author:  Morgan Vening [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:51 pm ]
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ Jan. 16 2010, 12:23 )

Quote: 

There was some discussion that MW be rewritten as a special ability like Lance (ie, written as AP5+/AT5+ MW, to allow more specific targetting and exclusions), but that hasn't happened yet.


That form has already crept into some lists (such as the Minervan Tank Legion), everyone understands it and nobody has complained about it.

I meant as on a more global scale. So that Onyx's initial theoretical would be possible.

I know it caused some annoyance in the early games, when the Macro was wanted to kill a vehicle, but forced to go infantry. This was using the Vindicators as MW variation (Markconz), and the ruling made even those Vindi's suck beyond belief.

Morgan Vening
Author:  Onyx [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:02 pm ]
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So if a Volcano Cannon shoots at a formation with Inf and AV, it must hit the nearest target?

If a Volcano Cannon shoots at a formation with Inf and WE, then the volcano Cannon has a choice?

Just want to get it clear in my head.

Thanks for all the replies.
:handshake:
Author:  dptdexys [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:11 pm ]
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Quote: (Onyx @ Jan. 16 2010, 14:02 )

So if a Volcano Cannon shoots at a formation with Inf and AV, it must hit the nearest target?

The player could choose to shoot at stuff in the open and ignore things in cover.

As infantry in mixed formations are usually taking advantage of the AV's cover bonus you could choose to only hit things in the open and ignore the Infantry (but only if the infantry are in cover).
Author:  Onyx [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:13 pm ]
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I've got the cover thing.

More just want to confirm the WE thing.
Author:  Chroma [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:23 pm ]
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Quote: (Onyx @ Jan. 16 2010, 14:02 )

If a Volcano Cannon shoots at a formation with Inf and WE, then the volcano Cannon has a choice?

Actually, if there are WE mixed into a formation, the attacker must declare which attacks are directed at WE and which are directed at non-WE.

3.2.1 Allocating Hits To War Engines
If a formation includes both war engines and non-war engine
units then an attacker must state whether any attacks he makes
on the formation will be directed at the war engines or the
other units in the formation. Attacks directed at the war
engines can only be allocated against war engines if they hit,
while attacks directed at other units may not be allocated to the
war engines in the formation.
Author:  Ginger [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:26 am ]
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Quote: (Onyx @ Jan. 16 2010, 14:02 )

So if a Volcano Cannon shoots at a formation with Inf and AV, it must hit the nearest target?

If a Volcano Cannon shoots at a formation with Inf and WE, then the volcano Cannon has a choice?

Basically you are correct.

Against a mixed AT / AP target, the shooting formation must first declare whether it is shooting at targets in cover or open, and then any hits are allocated to the nearest elible units

Against a mixed formation with WE, the shooting formation can choose to fire some of it's weapons at the WE and allocate the hits to that target.

So in an extreme example, a company of 3x shaddowswords firing on a Big Ork mob with several Battle Fortresses for transport must choose whether to fire on the WEs or the rest of the formation, and assuming that they gain three hits on the WE, each TK hit will be resolved in turn against the nearest Fortress and then the next one etc.
Author:  Onyx [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:42 pm ]
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Cheers fellas  :agree:
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