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woodelf_dave
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Post subject: Slow Firing  Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:00 am |
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Some advice from the rules gurus out there would be helpful please. Our small (and rather insular) Epic group have been playing slow firing formations such as Manticore companies for example to split fire - say 4 firing one turn and the other 5 firing in the subsequent turn. It seemed the sensible thing to do.
However recently we have indoctrinated two new players into Epic and one of them has innocently asked if this practice is correct. It is easy to argue that that is how we have always played it but not quite as straightforward to point to evidence in the rulebook to back this stance up!
Can anyone help on this matter. Thanks.
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Evil and Chaos
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:17 pm |
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Your group has been playing it correctly. Units can choose to withhold some or all of their fire, even if the rest of the formation is firing.
Note that Warhound Titans often choose to only fire one of their two Plasma shots each turn, so that they can fire once during every turn of the game (A similar effect to your manticore example)
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woodelf_dave
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:50 pm |
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Thanks for the response guys. I was pretty sure we were playing it like the majority of the Epic community. However there doesn`t appear to be anything in the rules that state that this is how it should be played.
Indeed the Warhound Titans Plasma Blastgun could be taken as an argument against splitting fire for normal "slow firing" units. As it specifically covers this ability under the Plasma Blastgun rules you could read it as though this is because it is an exception to the rules -hence no split fire for other units!
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nealhunt
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:03 pm |
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I believe there is a note in the firing rules to the effect that you don't have to fire with everything if you don't want to. Also, I'm sure there is an FAQ on the epic website that discusses it.
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:07 pm |
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Just to clarify... you can play it that way if you would like, but you do not have to. You can fire all and then have a turn of 'rest'. It was not clear from your original post if this was optional.
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woodelf_dave
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:50 am |
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Thanks for the feedback guys. We do play it as optional as you point out Cybershadow. In the FAQ in the rulebook under shooting there is a question about witholding fire for later in the turn (which I realise is a different aspect altogether). However the answer given is kind of in two parts -
All units must shoot at the same time (does this imply you cannot shoot with say half a slow firing formation) and the player can choose which units /weapons to shoot with and never has to fire if he doesn`t want to (implying you can shoot with half a slow firing formation if you want).
At the end of the day our group will be quite happy to carry on playing the way we have been doing, as it appears to be the same as the rest of the epic community. I was just curious to see whether there was anything specific in the rules that makes it clear that this in fact the right way to play it (apart from it being the "sensible" way).
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Markconz
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:45 am |
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Check out the master FAQ at SG (now in back of handbook)
Q: Can you withhold fire for later turns?
A: The player can choose which units/weapons to shoot with and never has to
fire if he doesn?t want to.
Does this need to be clarified further?
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woodelf_dave
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:10 pm |
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It probably doesn`t need clarified further as most Epic players seem to play slow firing in this way anyway. However one of our new players was looking for something concrete in the rules about slow firing and couldn`t find it.
If I was playing devils advocate I might argue that the FAQ answer states I am never forced to fire a formation if I don`t want to. However it is not necessarily clear that this means I can hold back half a fomation to fire in a subsequent turn.
As I said our group are happy we are line with the general Epic community and as most seem to understand the intention of slow firing perhaps something more specific is not really required.
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Markconz
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:18 pm |
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Q: Can you withhold fire for later turns, for example if you have several slow firing units but only want to fire some of them this turn?
- Problems? Better wording?
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woodelf_dave
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:13 pm |
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That wording would be fine Markconz. It would certainly clarify any possible doubts over the slow firing issue brought up by our new epic player.
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Markconz
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:12 pm |
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Lord Inquisitor
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Post subject: Slow Firing Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:27 pm |
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I'd be happy to change the FAQ there, if you're okay with it Neal?
The only point I'd make is that the Warhound titans are a very specific exception, and for all other slow firing weapons you either fire them or you don't - you can't fire a Bombard at 1BP every turn.
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