The core rules and 2008 errata and FAQ are on the specialist games section of the new gw site. Having said that black legion and latd were missing last time I looked.

Well for what its worth I'm saying the IG review has finished-  largely because not very much has happen for a while! I've stuck the hopefully error free files all up. One completely finished list one proper variant and two slight variants.

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Now that I've gotten un-crushed in daily life, I thought it was time to re-assess the NetEA project and schedule.

*Deep Breath*

Here we go...

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First and foremost, despite my thought that the schedule was completely screwed, once I got into it, it wasn't as bad as expected.  Recall that the idea was to push lists forward version - preferably to a "final" version, but at least one bump forward.

Second, following is my summary of what I know to have happened, along with questions for the ACs as to status.  Please correct anything you see that's wrong.

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Tourney Mods (May) - a touch late, but completed.

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IG Month (nominally June)
Net EA Steel Legion - done
Minervan - came out in Raiders in May, but as I recall it was the list with the lowest confidence level.  TRC made "tourney mods" which I will count as moving the list forward one version.
IG Infantry Auxiliary - minor mod, but done
Death Korps - Mossino v1.04 -
*Question for TRC and E&C* Should we count DK as "done" for the purposes of leaving it for a year?
Elysians 2.1.3 - created 8 Aug 08 by Honda.  I count that as a new version.

So, despite it being dragged out over several months past schedule there was some reasonable progress.

TRC:  There were 2 other "priority" lists that I can't get a handle on where they stand.  Can you clue me in to the intent on these?

Deathworld (Catachan/Ork Hunter) - Chroma put up a Deathworld list on 2 Jun 08 that consolidated a lot of the features of the Fanatic Online lists and various fan lists, but I can't tell that it has been reconsidered or updated.

Cadian (infantry-centric IG list) - There is Chroma's list and one that TRC posted 3 Jun 08, as a tentative draft that never seems to have been updated.

My best guess at the AC/SubAC roster is:

TRC - AC, Steel Legion, Baran Siegemasters, Infantry Auxiliary
E&C - Death Korps, Mossinian Rebels
Moscovian - Minervans (?)
Honda - Elysian
Chroma - Deathworld
?? - Cadians

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Ork Month (July)
Ghazghkul (core) - adopted tourney mods
Burning Death Speed Freeks - adopted tourney mods
Nazdreg's Feral Orks - adopted tourney mods
OGBM - updated to v2.2
Blood Axe - updated to v1.2

Nealhunt - AC, core, OGBM, Blood Axe
tiny tim - speed freek, feral

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Eldar Month (nominally August)
I can't really tell what's happened or not happened here, but this is my best guess at most recent versions:

Biel Tan - per 2008 errata/FAQ
Alaitoc - v2.1
Saim Hann - v6.1
Iyanden - v3.2
Ulthwe - V3.2
Lugganarath (titans) - Draft only
Yme-Loc (armor?) - v1.4
Harlequins - ??

My apologies for not being up to speed on this.  I would guess that most of the "big five" could be considered nearly final but I can't tell for sure.

Chroma, can you tell me how confident you are in the lists and whether we can reasonably put any of them in a "don't touch for a year" state or submit to the NetERC?

Chroma - AC, "big five" craftworlds, Yme-Loc
Moscovian - Lugganarath, Harlequins

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Space Marines (nominally September)

Black Templars v3.3, updated 30 Jun 08
Blood Angels v2.02, updated 6 Aug 08
Salamanders (v??), updated 17 Nov 08
Scions v1.3.x, updated 24 Jul 08

No real concerted progress, but the schedule and prodding was falling off the radar by this point.  I think BT and Salamanders are almost to the point they could be submitted to the NetERC for adoption, so a quick push could get Space Marines caught up.

Dark Angels have had a lot of recent activity, so I would suggest it's time to name an AC or Co-ACs (like the Salamanders).  I also think it's time for a conceptual decision with respect to BAs and Raven Guard list styles.

Hena, would you comment on what you think is feasible in the relatively short term?

AC/SubACs

Hena - AC, Codex, Scions of Iron
Pulsar - Black Templars
TRC and Black Legion - Salamanders
E&C - Blood Angels

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Chaos (nominally October)

Black Legion - No official decision, but I think the tourney mods are pretty close.
Death Guard - I couldn't find an update since 10 Apr 08.
Emperor's Children - I couldn't find an update since 10 Apr 08.
Thousand Sons - I have v3.1 ready to post.
Red Corsairs (recent CSM converts) - v3.9 posted 8 Jun 08

Lost and Damned - same as BL
Vraskian Renegades - posted in Mossina v1.04

As with SM, no real progress due to a lack of prodding and schedule.

Lord_I, what do you think is do-able with respect to the CSM lists?

Steve, do you have any thoughts on where you want to go with the cultist ideas?  Personally, I've been thinking about Alpha Legion again and I think it could be possible to revisit them as a cultist list (insurrection led by small cadre of Alpha Legionnaires) rather than a primarily CSM list.  I've been sketching out ideas if you'd like to discuss.

AC/SubACs
Lord_Inquisitor - AC for Chaos Marines, Death Guard Emperor's Children
Steve54 - AC for Cultists, Stygian Lost and Damned
nealhunt - Thousand Sons
Honda - Alpha Legion
E&C (?) - Vraskian Renegades

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Tau (Nominally November)

V4.4.3 was posted in September and CS has been leading a push to nail down the bits and bobs.

CS - Do you have a rough timeline on when you think you might have a "good enough to let it sit for a year" version?

Cybershadow - AC

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Tyranids (Nominally December)

v9.1 posted 3 Nov 08.  Similar to the Tau, progress has been slow and sometimes painful and, of course, not having a schedule and prodding means that I'm sure Chroma's not really set up to handle a big development push.  Still, it is definitely within the realm of possibility to progress to a next version.

Chroma, can you give some general comment as to what you see as possible or likely and give people some idea of a realistic goal?

Jaldon - AC
Chroma - interim AC

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Necrons (scheduled for Jan '09)

I think this should be pushed back.  According to Corey and Moscovian the Raiders version was intended to sit for 1 year before changes.

Does anyone have an objection to having the official work month pushed back to May?

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War Engine Lists (scheduled for Feb)

I think this is do-able.  OGBM was updated a few months back and E&C seems to be making steady progress on all the AMTL lists.

Other potential WE lists would include Lugganath, a Nid biotitan list (phase V?), and a Tau Air Caste list.

I think it might also be possible to have a NetEA-compatible version of E&C's AT rules to include as part of the program, but that might be a bit ambitious.  It might also be possible to push this back and move the next category forward.

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"Minor" Lists (scheduled for March)

The catch-all for various lists.  Since there's not really an AC to turn to for this category, I don't mind organizing this if no one wants to volunteer.

Dark Eldar - Recently adopted as NetEA official.  Should sit until at least May.

Other possibilities include - a dedicated Harlequin list, Inquisition lists, Adeptus Arbites.

Let me know if anyone wants to throw something in the ring.

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So, overall, the schedule is pretty weak but I don't think it's entirely busted.  Some things fell by the wayside, but many are only slightly behind.

I look forward to reading your comments.

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Both Corey and I are for the Necrons and Dark Eldar sitting till May obviously.  The bump in playtesting as certainly helped there.

As for Lugganath, I initially sat on this waiting for E&C to create a stable AMTL list to work off of.  To be honest though I haven't followed that list's progress lately.  If it is looking fairly decent I'd say February would be a great month for it.  We should probably keep it in the Titans line-up as opposed to the Eldar lists.

As for Harlequins, I'd say keep them in the Minor Lists as opposed to with the Eldar lists for timing purposes.  Here again March will work out nicely for me and I should be able to get some playtests in as well as prodding others to do the same.

If I may point out though, it would really help if we could get more people playing/writing batreps for the Cadians.  This is going to be a big part of the Black Crusade supplement and I think everybody wants the lists as balanced as possible.

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As far as I know, I'm developing Cadians for the "Black Crusade" supplement.  Not a lot of playtesting has happend for them, other than my own "in-house" stuff.

Chroma, can you tell me how confident you are in the lists and whether we can reasonably put any of them in a "don't touch for a year" state or submit to the NetERC?

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the "French ERC" is taking development in their own direction, based, I believe, on the Markconz 2008 Handbook; they have some "older" versions of army lists, the Necrons being a strong example, that they have tweaked/developed on their own.  Not sure how that's going to play out, as there are some significant differences... the Necron list appears to be based around the "single action" design that only allowed them to move-and-shoot or move-and-assault.

Do any FERC personal post here?

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I looked at the website linked to the tournament in Belgium. They are using the 2008 handbook as their rules and the lists are different. Marines have most of the changes that are accepted here but more on top. I haven't looked at other lists but I'm sure they all differ from the core and what has been suggested here.

I guess they just wanted to get on with things and fix what they saw as broken, which is a view I have some sympathy with.

As noted, I did push to sort out the more thorny issues at the beginning of November, but have let my duties drift. I will get this more in order.

I would aim to get a 'let it sit' version in the next couple of months. I think that this is achievable, but do not pretend that this version is oone that all developers will agree with.  

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Other potential WE lists would include Lugganath, a Nid biotitan list (phase V?), and a Tau Air Caste list.

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Yme-Loc was listed earlier in the first Eldar section.

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Yes, but I would treat it as a war engine list.

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It's more of a "mechanized"/armour list than pure war engines... at least in my mind.

Lugganath will be, for the moment at least, the Eldar equivalent to the Orkemedies or AMTL lists, though I don't mind testing of the Yme-Loc army at the same time.

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For the Salamanders i posted some batreps in the past but not with the current incarnation of the list. I think it looks good but needs some more playtesting expecially from more people thewn TRC and me.

Sme is true for the Red Corsairs (which are my brainchild). List seems fine with the expeption that the Chaos Hunter seems to be a bit to expensive.
A few highly debated units are obviously chared with the BlackLegion list and afaik cureently in a state of discussion. Namely AA issue with Obliterators and the Hell Blade as an replacement for the Swiftdeath.
The list NEEDS playtesting. AFAIK only E&C plays the list currently and he doesn't do batreps.

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