(Evil and Chaos @ Feb. 12 2008,23:37)
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(BlackLegion @ Feb. 12 2008,23:52)
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If MW is to powerful for the Vindicator, what about Lance?
Leave the gun alone.
We know it's balanced for the Demolisher and the Baneblade, so let's just drop the points cost on the vindicators.
It's *that* simple.
I disagree, Baneblade is a junk tank compared to a shadowsword in general terms of usefulness - even against non-WE armies with RA it is better. Just look at tourni lists and you'll see heaps of shadowswords and very few baneblades, (or for that matter demolishers).
Baneblade has short range guns and is slow as hell. Easy to dance around. If you actually manage to shoot something with it, it's guns are peashooters. In contrast a Shadowsword company guarantees you will nuke things every turn at massive ranges, AND they are death to WE. Baneblades should have a niche where they are very powerful at close range, but they won't with these sort of proposals.
As has been said 4 vindis for 200? They are a nothing unit and there are better options.
MW = 2 light targets or 1 heavy target dead for a squadron of vindicators. This is certainly not too powerful, if it does less than that don't expect to see them on the table.
There is a fundamental problem with the firepower of these demolisher units and if people don't want to address that I guess they will just stay sitting on the shelf.