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Epic Price Cut!
The_Real_Chris
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:28 am 
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I came accross another 'GW, always putting prices up' thread and snapped, hunted out my old WD's (and found a bunch i can sell actually) and dug out the old price lists. Playing for a long time I can assure you Epic was always expensive.

April 1991
Manticores ?3.99 for 2 (Forgeworld of course 3 for ?5).

But it wasn't all no change from the early nineties :)
Baneblade ?3.99 each.

Overal though if they released the archive at sensible prices I wouldn't complain too much.

Incidentally the infantry is pretty similar still.
Back then 20 Space Marines (metal) was ?2.99 a packet.

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Looking at old prices can be quite deceptive. I remember my father trying to help me understand this after I was looking at a reprinted Sears catalog. He pointed out that at one time he could go to a movie, have popcorn, a candy, a soda, and still have change from his quarter. :O  

Then he helped me understand that he made .08 an hour at that time. So his .22 cent trip to the movies was the same as almost three hours work.

Anyway, while fun, looking back on prices does not always tell you value.

Just an interesting point from my childhood. :p

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:21 am 
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Yes, but Manticores were still overpriced then just as they are now - and now they are cheaper :)

Also in my day I could read a white dwarf for days!



Now I admit I'm better at reading.

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Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 05 June 2006 (18:21))
Also in my day I could read a white dwarf for days!

Do you remember it when it was not a house organ?

Some of my most favorite Traveller items come from the old issues. Same for a few of my most favorite D&D short encounters.

It was such a great magazine back then.  :down:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:34 am 
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Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 06 June 2006 (03:21))
Also in my day I could read a white dwarf for days!

Ha! Don't start me on that....
the last two issues (UK) have a new editro - the White Dwarf... after playing editorial musical chairs again, the editor is a Squat..... someone who GW says doesn't exist. Oh sorry, beg pardon, he's a dwarf. :oops:

The articles seem to be designed for people with the attention span of a cat; any decent humour is gone, and battle reports are - oh well, you get the general idea. I've bought the rag for 12 years now, missing just one single issue, but I think it's time to throw in the towel for me.
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Quote (vanvlak @ 06 June 2006 (07:34))
Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 06 June 2006 (03:21))
Also in my day I could read a white dwarf for days!

Ha! Don't start me on that....
the last two issues (UK) have a new editro - the White Dwarf... after playing editorial musical chairs again, the editor is a Squat..... someone who GW says doesn't exist. Oh sorry, beg pardon, he's a dwarf. :oops:

The articles seem to be designed for people with the attention span of a cat; any decent humour is gone, and battle reports are - oh well, you get the general idea. I've bought the rag for 12 years now, missing just one single issue, but I think it's time to throw in the towel for me.
Grump.
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Aye V- your right there. I have every WD since UK issue 127. They are currently up as far as issue 318 which means I am 1 issue away from a full 16 years.

I currently subscribe. The last issue arraived in the post a couple of weeks back on Saturday. I flicked through it whilst I was having morning cup of coffee, put it on bookshelf and could n't be bothered to pick it back up and read any of the articles in detail. I will probably carry on subscribing out of blind (or stupid) loyalty, in the same way that I have bought practically every SG publication. Yet the only GW games I now play are Epic and BFG.

It is a quandary. Do I carry on giving GW my money for WD subscription out of old fashioned loyalty? After all it got me into the hobby and for a long while when I was a kid it WAS the hobby. Or do I stop giving GW my money and spend it elsewhere until they change their policies. I fear the latter could take a long while....
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:13 am 
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You cancel your subscription and use the money to buy more Epic and BFG. You are stil supporting the company, but now it is more targetted, and you actually get something that you like!

My pet frustration is not the quality of the magazine, but the fact that they almost always wrap it in plastic! I dont mind bad issues, since I dont subscribe, but I feel that I should be able to actually know what I am getting!  :angry:

I liked the older issues (but that is more likely false nostalgia on my part), and I like more in depth battle reports. I cant stand these new versions, where the 'report' takes four pages to describe six turns, grouping the turns and giving highlights! I want to hear the players thoughts each turns and know the strange dice rolls!

There have been some improvements, the recent letters page has a request for SG content, but generally I dont care for the magazine... although I do seem to buy most issues out of boredom.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:08 am 
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I've noticed a substantial decline in quality ever since the new editor took over on issue 316.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:22 am 
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Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 06 June 2006 (00:28))
I came accross another 'GW, always putting prices up' thread and snapped, hunted out my old WD's (and found a bunch i can sell actually) and dug out the old price lists. Playing for a long time I can assure you Epic was always expensive.

April 1991
Manticores ?3.99 for 2 (Forgeworld of course 3 for ?5).

But it wasn't all no change from the early nineties :)
Baneblade ?3.99 each.

Overal though if they released the archive at sensible prices I wouldn't complain too much.

Incidentally the infantry is pretty similar still.
Back then 20 Space Marines (metal) was ?2.99 a packet.

Haven't they changed materials a couple of times since then though?  I don't think they use a full lead base for the metal models anymore?  I'm sure I read somewhere that they went towards a cheaper less durable alloy?  

With the example of the manticores it took a seperate company to produce a resin copy of the model to get a cheaper option.

The Baneblade was ?3.99 for one model they are now ?9 for the newer model, or forgeworld it's ?18 for 3.

I think a lot of the complaining about price rises comes from our US breatheren as they are not as ripped off as often as us Brits.  They're just not use to it!  

I started in 1991 I think, and paid those original prices out of my pocket money, but I still find the new prices extortionate to be honest. I never paid for metal infantry that was seen as complete elitist in our gaming group (about 10-12 of us)  that money went on tanks or plastic troop boxsets.  We use to put money together to get the stompers box set or the battle titans one, then split them according to who collected what.  There isn't that side of the hobby anymore.

Dunno I just feel at the moment GW have limited what you can buy, have increased the price of the items and provided less incentive to purchase them in the first place.

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The alloy they use now is actually more durable... much harder to cut through to convert anyway!

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Quote (Evil and Chaos @ 06 June 2006 (11:27))
The alloy they use now is actually more durable... much harder to cut through to convert anyway!

Umm I've only got a few of the newer models so not had to try as yet but I thought they lost their detail quicker... Then again lead is more malleable (SP?) so probably wrong on that front.

They didn't pass on the cost savings though I'm sure.  Seem to remember them saying something about re forging the moulds so no short term savings could be offered.

I think my main gripe at the moment is the lack of plastic sprues like they had in the old days. A marine battle company definately seems over priced to me.  As does a guard infantry company.  Releasing the sprues would alleviate the issues somewhat.

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Having recently converted some old metal titans from fleaBay with some new bits I can vouch for the hardness of the metal!  Drilling pin holes in the old metal was a sinch but the new stuff is really tough, it takes twice as long to get half the depth.

The ratio of pictures to articles in White Dwarf is now approaching that normally found in a gentlemans' one handed rythm publication - but in WD the pictures are less interesting and the articles are of a lower standard!

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The ratio of pictures to articles in White Dwarf is now approaching that normally found in a gentlemans' one handed rythm publication - but in WD the pictures are less interesting and the articles are of a lower standard!

Orde

ROFL that made me laugh very loudly in the office and now I'm getting strange looks.  I won't even try and explain it to them though!  :D

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I started way back with Dark future and AT (then went and got back issues over the next few years to take it back consecutively to 99 and random issues before that) and got it without fail until I realised E40k was binned. Subsequently I've got it to read on train journeys which are a couple of times a year. I must say its aweful now.\None of the easy modeling articles and of course the bat reps are nothing like Andy vs Jervis Epic 1st ed!

Oh I have some duplicate old WD from a friend. I guess I could flog 'em here to anyone who wants a trip down memory lane.

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