Hi!
Personally I have always considered the "plastic is so expensive to make" so much BS....
..just my opnion of course....
Primarch
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| Author: | netepic [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
I know that someone somewhere suggested the armies would not be available separately from the game - I'm not sure that's true. The original plan was that they would be available separately in some fashion. That helps spread the tooling costs a bit as well as allowing folks to beef up their armies - so I can't see any reason not to make the armies available. Dunno if the studio cost counts as R&D as such - it certainly amounts to a substantial overhead - when I ran the studio I had a budget and this was accounted for at group level. As GW designs, makes, and runs its own tools the cost of an individual tool isn't such a big deal - it costs the same to run a machine as not to run it (pretty much) so it's more a question of keeping the volume constant. So there you go - personally - I'm proud of BOFA 'cos I think it's nicely done - if it sells 1,000 or 100,000, so long as it sells to people who enjoy it for what it is - that'll do me just fine:) Rick | |
| Author: | primarch [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
Hi! Personally I have always considered the "plastic is so expensive to make" so much BS.... ..just my opnion of course.... Primarch |
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| Author: | Justiniel [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
He does mention substantial overheads but it does seem that plastic producing costs have been exagerated  The last line seems rather disingenuous, 'we don't care if it sells well so long as people are happy with the product' just doesn't ring true even if he is careful to say that it is a personal comment.
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| Author: | stormseer [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
Interesting to see in the Fanatic blog that Jervis says the game is actually a limited run; The game is being produced in a limited run of 8,000 copies, so its worth while considering ordering a copy in advance just in case in sells out very quickly. You can place pre-orders by on Games Workshop UK online store | |
| Author: | CyberShadow [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
I wouldnt hold them to the 'limited' numbers. I would guess that this was the initial print run, and if it did well then they would make more. But, if it doesnt, they havent promised anything. GW has a REALLY bad record of 'limited edition' stuff which is subsequently released mainstream later. It is a shame, I MIGHT be interested in the game if it was ?35-?40, but ?50 is a bit much for me. |
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| Author: | TuffSkull [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
Ricky P has said on the warmaster lists that 8,000 is theinitial run. Thats the number that have been ordered by the individual sales cells. However, if they're unexpectedly inundated then they will certainly produce more, it just may be unavailable for a whort while between runs. Its also been confirmed that if this box set is classed as a good enough sucess, further titles may be added to the range - All good news tomy ears! |
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| Author: | Heresiarch [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:54 pm ] | ||
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Its not the plastic itself its the molds used in the injection process thats killer coin. The company I used to work for in the late 1990 was looking at plastic pieces for boardgames and we received quotes of anywhere from $10-15,000 US for the size and complexity of what we wanted. A good example of mold pricing can be found here: http://www.protomold.com/prices/prices.asp Now having said that I still think GW is shovelling it when it comes to pricing. |
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| Author: | vanvlak [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
Correct - and welcome, Heresiarch. The moulds can be very expensive, running into thousands of pounds, although this also depends on the size, the complexity, and the plastic for which the mould is to be used. The cost is recouped by production runs of several thousands. |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
Don't forget the injection machine itself is quite pricey. Last time I had any inclination to keep up with such things was 10 years or so ago and a flexible machine that could do stuff up to the size of plastic patio chairs was ~$250,000 iirc. The cost of the machine has to be recouped in the products also. But yeah, I agree that it's not nearly as expensive as they imply. |
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| Author: | stormseer [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
Hmmm... ?50 is also a little too much for me- At ?40 I would have bought a copy, but haven't got the spare cash to shell that much for something I only have a minor interest in.... |
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| Author: | Freshmetal [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
Hi, I think I'll have to see where it goes before I consider buying it. If the LOTR films are produced in this scale I might change my mind (lots of 10mm Mumaks please!  ), and I'd like to know if it is a direct Warmaster port, or a WM Lite version. Time shall tell I suppose.Cheers, Freshmetal |
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| Author: | Tas [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
So what am I actually getting for my money (will be over Aus$120 here)??? 
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
It should be listed in the online catalog description. I won't swear to it, but assuming it's 3 stands/unit like WamasterI recall it being something on the order of 16 units of various kinds. Compared to $13 US per WM unit, that's a pretty big price break. |
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| Author: | Freshmetal [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
Hi, Here's the WM forum thread about the BO5A contents... Battle of Five Armies Quite a bit, but still not convincing me yet. Cheers, Freshmetal |
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| Author: | Tas [ Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Interesting quote from the Warmaster list |
You just beat me to it Freshmetal! Note that there are: 24 stands of goblin foot 12 stands of Wargriders 12 stands of Wargs 3 stands of men, armed with bows 3 stands of men, armed with spears 6 stands of dwarfs 6 stands of elves with spears 6 stands of elves with bows 3 stands of eagles... Where Warmaster is usually 3 stands to a unit... |
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