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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:18 pm 
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If you were to move things in ranks as in fantsay, artillery would slaughter them. In general, you want to keep things as far apart as possible to minimize losses to artillery. You might save time in moving stands with a movement tray, but I don't think it would be wise tactically.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:29 pm 
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the 5 cm coheriency, this is for troop formations too? not just vehicles?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:35 pm 
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Yes, infantry also.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:25 pm 
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OOOOOOOOOOH, that sheds some new light on things definatly. i thought everything was a packed unit, i was all worried about perfectly cut bases for solid ranks.

i made a whole bunch of bases out of plasticard but they are not perfectly square, i gues i can use them now.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:53 pm 
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im gonna try to make my first list tomorrow. any tips on a good starting size?

as far as compsition of forces, should i keep 40k ork tactics in mind? i do play orks in 40k, have for 12 years so i have alot of 40k ork tactics on lock? will this help me in epic, or is it totally different?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:34 am 
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40k tactics won't be much help in Epic.  Some of the basics may still be true.  Ork units are poor shooters, good in close combat, formations can usually absorb alot of losses, etc.

For list composition and tactics, look here, here, and here.

Pay particular attention to posts by ANSWER_MOD_nealhunt

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Thanks for the compliment.

I would also recommend paying close attention to Tiny Tim's advice.  He has a long track record of winning tourneys with every ork list - core, Freeks and Ferals.

Jaldon also has a keen grasp on tactics and often approaches it in a more methodical manner than I do, thinking of methods that I never would have considered.

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40K is a totally different paradigm than Epic ... 40K is a short range, skirmish game, based on close combat.  Epic is a game of tactics based on fire & movement ...  I Don't play 40K ... I would like to think of myself as a tactician, 40K is more like checkers.  And this is the place to get all your Epic questions answered ... The boys here know the deal !

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(nealhunt @ Nov. 09 2006,03:44)
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Thanks for the compliment.

I would also recommend paying close attention to Tiny Tim's advice. ?He has a long track record of winning tourneys with every ork list - core, Freeks and Ferals.

Echoed,

However I haven't won with Ferals as over the course of the tournament people cottoned on to how to neutralise them so that I couldn't push for victories.
Must get more Boarboys ? :p

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what are the stats on "small arms"?

also

would it be more advantageous to have a bunch of small mobs off orks or fewer, but larger mobs?


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Small Arms designates weapons that can be used in FF but you can have an FF value without specifically having small arms weaponry.  The FF value can take into account the ranged weaponry or other abilities.  Mainly Small Arms has 2 roles:

1)  It's used to designate units that have special FF attacks of some kind - extra, MW, etc..

2) A unit is designated as having Small Arms it is eligible to be suppressed by BMs just as if it had a "real" ranged weapon.  Note this doesn't actually reduce the firepower of the formation as you're suppressing a unit that wouldn't be able to fire anyway.  However, it allows the Small Arms unit to "soak" BMs, allowing units that do have ranged fire to avoid being suppressed.

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Styles of Ork army composition vary widely.  Some people like huge hordes.  Some people like lots of little formations for tons of activations.  A basic guideline for force composition across all armies is something in the 2.5-3.5 formations per 1000 points.   That's an average of 300-400 points per formation across the army.  Once you get used to that you can experiment on more extreme compositions based on the specific force.

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ok. this is my first list. i want to know if i have the right idea on any level? the total points are 2755 as far as i can tell, but i am prolly wrong.

Bogruds 'uge warband

-6 nobz
-18 boyz
-6 grots
-3 dreadnaughts

605p

Mek Irontoof's Flyboy Droppas

-12 flakwagons
-oddboy character

400p

Bogrud's Mad Nutta's Kult of Speed

-16 buggies
-8 scorchas
-10 bikes

750p

Bogrud's Blitza's

-15 big gunz

325p

Bogrud's Loonie Flyboy Gitz

-3 fighta bommas

150p

Mek Gutrik Gobsmasha's Stompy Mob

-5 stomaps
-4 dreadnaughts
-oddboy character

525p

my main reasoning behind this first army is to have a little of everything. the HQ warband is just that, HQ with a few dreads and alot of boyz to scare anything off that wants to get near it.

the flakkwagons take care of aircraft, and my bommas provide additional protection against aircraft while inflicting some damage on theri own, i hope.

the KoS is for flank attacks

gunzmob is for unloading on enemies, kinda obvious.

stompa mob is the main hitting unit im guessing.

keep in mind i have all these models, but i need a few more to complete my collection. my force is already reallt large, i estimated it at 10000 points of orks i bought from 2 guys, so i have alot to work with.

i am open to ANY and ALL critisism, seeing as this is my first list i expect alot of revisions


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OOOOOOOOOOH, that sheds some new light on things definatly. i thought everything was a packed unit, i was all worried about perfectly cut bases for solid ranks.

i made a whole bunch of bases out of plasticard but they are not perfectly square, i gues i can use them now.

Dave, just to clarify:

The infantry UNITS have a 5cm coherency.  When you're basing them on a stand, the little models will be right next to each other (should to should for some model types), but the units themselves need to be a maximum of 5cm apart.  So you can bunch your troops up if you want (which may be an option when there is no opposing artillery, or mandatory if you are crossing a bridge), but you don't have to.

Take a look at some of the pictures posted in these threads here, and here.  It may give you a better idea what things should look like.  Now these guys are (what I consider to be) pro's or experts, so don't let the paint jobs discourage you.  :)


Also check out the pic attached, this is from one of my games - you can see how my Eldar are spread out near the Blitz objective / Wraith Gate.  Still in coherency but not on top of each other.

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But in this pic the Imperial Guard are right next to each other, in cover.  I had no artillery so he felt comfortable keeping them right next to each other.

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