Has anyone ever sat down and tried to draft rules for Aspect Warriors in SM1?

I forgot to mention boardgames. I meet friends on a weekly basis to play boardgames. Also, I've been playing D&D off and on (currently off sadly, but hoping that will change in the near future) since its '76.

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I played that with my cousin growing up. The rules were heavy/crazy and the miniatures gorgeous. I have most of the books, never got many of the minis. There's recasters out there though if you know where to look.

One time when playing I was chasing down a Orion Wander with an Epsilon Cutter and a flight of Scorpios. I was leaning back in my chair when my cousin yelled BOOOM after rolling to hit. I toppled over backwards. Upon getting back up my first words were "Damage report!"

I collect those, basic D&D (Rules Compendium era), 3/3.5 D&D, mini rules and the standard slew of GW games and minis (EA, WM, MoW, NM, GM, 40k).

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We just based them on SM2 at the time ... and now of course there is NetEpic ... Since one of the bigger things about SM2 vs. SM1, the SM2 weapons had no different rating between Infantry and other targets, as well as no Critical Hit roll. And one range ... So we just left stats on the units like the Aspects, with only one hit rating for all targets. And only one range. I referred to them as a Dual Purpose Weapon which could effect any target ... Infantry or Armor or Light Vehicles ... Which later GW rated similar such weapons a MW ...

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Hi!

KTG17, you may have missed something, I postd regarding this, but as my own personal project, I will attempt to revamp and update the 1st edition rules.

I have spent about a week re-reading all the old rulebooks and articles. There is a lot do since that rule-set is a colossal mess. However I have a good idea that needs to be done and I will add unit stats for whats missing.

It a long term project, but I am sufficiently enthralled by the old rules to make a go of it.

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Actually, back in the day I did this. Before I moved on to SM2, I tried to create a system to retrofit new units in SM2 that werent in SM1. I did this by comparing the point values of all the similar units, and their move speed, caf, etc. A lascannon is a lascannon so if a unit had one, I just used its stat in SM1 regardless what it did in SM2. I spent HOURS on these sheets but it was winter in Buffalo so what else did I have to do. But ultimately, if a unit moved 10cm in SM2, you would look up that move on our chart and find 10/16.

The interesting thing was, we got pretty close when we dug up rules we missed in old White Dwarf articles. An in some we were way off, but most of those were real outliers. An with some, they were just too complicated to bother. I wish I kept all those sheets, but you'd prob have a good laugh at them realizing all the time I put into them.

So with Aspect Warriors, we already have shuriken pistols, shuriken catapults, missile launchers, meltagun... And I think thats all you need. The trick is how do you incorporate scorpion mandi blasters and so on. I guess just kicking up the caf would be fine in most cases, and making them elite. Give them back their shuriken pistols too.

The hardest thing is determining their worth.

Hi!

This will be the last comment I make regarding this, so as not to derail the thread.

We can talk through PM or off forums if you'd like.

As for the points cost, now that one has been made for net epic platinum, I think it would be easier to modify one to use for 1st edition since there are less variables.

After my read through, the heavier lift will be to fix the horrible close combat rules (so many changes were added in the articles that it became a real mess) and introduce fliers and aerial combat into the system.

I have ideas for all these things, but it will take a good chunk of time to lay them all out.

I just found new appreciation for those rules. There are things represented there I wish were kept. It has a degree of detail and "grittiness" that was lost in older version.

I'll try to "fill in the holes" while I strive to maintain its uniqueness.

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I tried to keep it simple ... ... like me ...

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Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

NO, WE WILL DISCUSS ASPECT WARRIOR DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The real questions is... do you give a stand of Dark Reapers 5 Missile Launchers? Because it wouldnt be unheard of, after all, since Squat Thunderers have 5 Heavy Bolters.... damn...

Ok i guess everyone thinks I am crazy

Hi!

Nah, your good.

Given that 1st edition does not have "attack dice" in the second edition sense, multiple heavy weapons are better represented by a lower to hit number, higher save modifier and even a bonus for critical hits.

I have to sit down and look over the lists to decide where exactly such units should fall.

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Well, aside from my decently-sized 6mm SciFi armies, I have 6mm WWII, AIW, and Cold War forces, plus 6 15mm SciFi armies.

I play ASL on a regular basis, Federation Commander on occasion, Panzer Miniatures for my WWII toy tank fix, and a modified version of Avalon HIll's MBT in miniature for more modern gaming. I've given up trying to play any of the newer or current games as they are generally simplistic and frankly not very challenging or interesting past having good-looking models (and have somewhat unreasonable price tags associated with playing them). I'll play the occasional 'popular' boardgame, but I'm really tired of my group's 'game of the week' mentality when it comes to newer board and miniatures game releases.

Outside of gaming, I'm an avid reader and collect (and regularly practice with) firearms, and (strangely enough) make my living as a musician.

[quote="KaJo"I'm really tired of my group's 'game of the week' mentality when it comes to newer board and miniatures game releases.[/quote]

Hi!

I hear ya man!

I got off that particular band wagon many years ago.

It seems in recent times it seems gamers are more interested in playing whatever is popular at the moment. No real dedication to a particular game as a "hobby".

I found that attitude tiresome as well

Primarch

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Yes. Snobbish geeks are scary indeed. Like hipsters with dice.

I read a graffiti yesterday. It read Nostalgia is a journey for the tired. that pretty much captured my hobby status at the moment. I have Epic 40K stuff en masse (Ork, IG, Eldar) and I am trying to find time to paint updated EA armies. I still have my old RT era 40K minis for squats, Eldar, marines and IG. Caught the 15mm WWII bug too. Found FoW silly and played Poor bloody infantry with some friends for a while. Painted 4 armies for that too (you only need a reasonable amount to play). Children are far worse time thieves than a Phd in my experience. I hope to squeeze more frequent gaming in between their school age and my death. Oh, and I have been renovating an old ('69) motorboat too. Part plastic, part wood. It's green and white, so color themed with my biel tan, though red ones might go fasta.

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