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Pluto's GONE ?!?!?!?!?!?!
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(Justiniel @ Aug. 25 2006,09:59)
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I've been really confused about this issue, it was said that it was changed from Full Planet to Dwarf because asteroids were a similar size, everything that's been mentioned so far is smaller so why not say 'anything smaller than Pluto is a ?' or are they waiting for/expecting a larger body to appear?

No - nothing expected, but then anything smaller would include very small asteroids, comets, etc, which are WAY too small to be called anything other than - uh - small asteroids, comets, etc. Sigh - I think everyone will still call Pluto a planet for a long time, and anyway, before we can compare our system to others, we shouldn't continue to mess about with categories and classes of stuff, as they'll all fal anyway once we can identify with better accuracy the sizes and orbits of planets (dwarfs, Plutos, whatever) in other systems.
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Anyway, they confirmed the existence of dark matter, and I gues that's more important than nomenclature.  :cool:

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Makes sense enough to me.  There are dwarf stars, so why not dwarf planets too?  Pluto is clearly a bit of a freak; its orbit crosses Neptune?s for starters.  

Besides, the funniest part is that this decision screws astrologists over!

I agree that there can certainly be debate over what is and what is not a planet, but the group arguing to keep Pluto as one (see that BBC link) weren't helped by some of their bunch making absurd opposite proposals.  Turn a moon and something sitting in an asteroid field into planets - wtf?!

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Besides, the funniest part is that this decision screws astrologists over!

Yes they had an article on the TV news here about Astrologers and how they thought it would affect them.

I was amused by the comment of one astrologer 'that it had come as a shock and was definitely going to change things...'  :laugh:  The article tried to be objective but there was more than a hint of 'lets all have a good laugh at the gullible wierdos who believe this nonsense'.

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You know what PhD stands for, right?

Pile it Higher and Deeper...

THAT says it all.

I want Pluto back!  It will take me years to de-program that little factoid.  Besides, if we can live with the American Standard Measurements (feet!? pounds!?) we can live with Pluto. :p

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(Markconz @ Aug. 25 2006,03:17)
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...what else do you expect from 'chimpanzees 3.0?', which are ?99% genetically identical to chimpanzees 1.0 but featuring improved cortex size and opposable thumbs...

OK. That is going as the sig in my uni emails! ?:laugh:

I do think that academia has become the new religion. We have 'facts' which we base our everyday lives on which we cannot verify beyond the word of someone that we believe, and the scientific community in general is opposed to letting in outsiders, etc.

The whole debate on Pluto doesnt really change anything. It will be called a 'sort of planet' for at least two more generations!

Personally, I am glad that 'rationality' of some form has been allowed to changed our viewpoint. The day that things dont change just because that is the way that they are is the day that science stops advancing.

I remember a story by a visiting tutor to the Southern bible States. He asked the class who thought that the Earth went around the sun, and half the class put up their hands. Then he asked why the rest thought that the Sun went around the Earth, to which the reply was 'we can see it'. He had no response to that!  :p

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My vote is we call it a 'Dwarf Pickle' and thumb our noses at everyone.... :p


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(CyberShadow @ Aug. 25 2006,13:59)
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I remember a story by a visiting tutor to the Southern bible States. He asked the class who thought that the Earth went around the sun, and half the class put up their hands. Then he asked why the rest thought that the Sun went around the Earth, to which the reply was 'we can see it'. He had no response to that!  :p

Well, the Sun GOES around the Earth, if you pick the Earth as the origin of the cartesian system...
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Good quotes from Al E. there, Markco !  He's the Man !!  I think CNN will be interviewing Micky, Minny and Goofy today ... I'm sure there will be many emotional moments !!  LOL!!  IIRC, Pluto was not discovered until 1930 (+ or -) ?!?  But of course a few years later many believed that Mars was invading Earth on an O. Wells radio show !  :D

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(Moscovian @ Aug. 25 2006,12:08)
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Besides, if we can live with the American Standard Measurements (feet!? pounds!?) we can live with Pluto. :p

Can you live with hundreds of new stellar objectives named planets then?-)

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(Justiniel @ Aug. 25 2006,09:59)
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I love C & H
I've been really confused about this issue, it was said that it was changed from Full Planet to Dwarf because asteroids were a similar size, everything that's been mentioned so far is smaller so why not say 'anything smaller than Pluto is a ?' or are they waiting for/expecting a larger body to appear?

No - nothing expected, but then anything smaller would include very small asteroids, comets, etc, which are WAY too small to be called anything other than - uh - small asteroids, comets, etc. Sigh - I think everyone will still call Pluto a planet for a long time, and anyway, before we can compare our system to others, we shouldn't continue to mess about with categories and classes of stuff, as they'll all fal anyway once we can identify with better accuracy the sizes and orbits of planets (dwarfs, Plutos, whatever) in other systems.
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Anyway, they confirmed the existence of dark matter, and I gues that's more important than nomenclature. ?:cool:

That body nicknamed Xena is supposedly larger than Pluto.  I think that its discovery is what ignited the debate.

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Well, now Pluto is a bit of an embarrasment. Really, how will we look to future generations? You know what they will say: "Back then those losers thought Pluto was an actual planet! Can you believe it?"

I think we should just sweep it under the celestial carpet by de-orbiting it and sending it into the Sun. I just don't think I can live with the shame otherwise.
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The alternatives are really not that bad.

Ceres - the largest object in the Asteriod Belt - was a planet before it was discovered there was a bunch of other objects in a similar orbit, was up to become a planet again should Pluto be kept.  I think this is total valid, why not have Ceres be a planet?

An issue was that Charon, Pluto's moon was going to become a planet too.  But the cool side effect of this is we would have a binary planetary system.  Once again cool!

The last one Xena or 2003 UT 13 would be made a planet. It is larger than Pluto and  has all the same charateristics.  I have no arguement with that.

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I think calling things 'planets' is eminentily pointless and only of worth to astrologers in the first place.

We should just call them Gas giants, Big rocks with rubbish atmosphers, Big rocks with breathable atmospheres, Little rocks, Really little rocks, and Dirty snowballs.

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