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Author:  Napalm [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
Taaaadaaaaaaaa:
here is my first army list.
"Das Reich" late war SS panzer division, for bocage at first, and maybe some adjustment to go to the Defence of Berlin.


*Company HQ: 1 Panzer IV H with Recovery Sd KFZ 9 (+5) (115 points)
*SS Panzer Platoon A: 3 Panzer IV H (325 points)
*SS Panzer Platoon B: 3 Panther A (640 points)
*Armoured SS Anti Aircraft Gun platoon: 1 Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) (65 points)
*Gepanzerte SS Panzergrenadier Platoon: Command Panzergrenadier Platoon with Sd Kfz 251/17 (+5), panzerfaust SMG team (+10) and 2 SS Panzergrenadier squads in Sd Kfz 251/1 D (245 points)
*SS-Rocket Launcher Battery: 1 Launcher Section (2x 15cm NW41 rocket launchers) (110 points)

Grand total 1500 points.

What do you think? No major flow? I wanted Tigers, but it's for the Hitlerjungend :(
So i went on Panther, but they're also expensive as hell.
I can expend the Panzergrenadier, add some more nebelwerfer + a PAK gun and take more AA Sd KfZ if i replace the panthers with panzer 4, but I want some famous tanks :p
Author:  Nicodemus [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
Panzer IV is famous tank! Workhorse of Third Reich! :p  :)

1500 is maybe too small for panthers... But they are formidable at any point limit.

2 Rocketlaunchers are basically just for the smoke, right? 3 Nebelwerfer are great value for points, they can smoke like dream and also kill some infantry.

Because that only sdkfz 7/1 wont do much and you have odd numbered platoons I would drop that in favor of more Nebelwerfers.

I would definedly use panthers as command tank, you get that cheesy "tiger ace" skill for that, and it kinda goes to waste when given to panzer-iv (if you do have panthers too.)

You could take those Gepanzerte guys as mandatory troop choise, so you could just take them and panthers.


I too have Das Reich in Flames of War, and Germans basically need at least that 1750, even better 2000 point game to "shine". Americans on the other hand, can throw 17 shermans at 1175 points... (Plus some mortars (105) and artillery (3 priest 185) at 1500)
Author:  Napalm [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
Thanks for the advices.
yes, dropping the panzer IV and take more artillery, maybe a second AA gun, and more panzer grenadier sounds good.
I'll work on my new list :D
Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:03 am ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
I would go pure Panzer IV force at a low point value game. More historic and just as good against Allied armor.  Expand the Tank platoons to 4 units each.  

Drop the rockets and then expand the panzer grenadier, as well as the AAA platoon, to full size.   The Typhoons will play havoc with only one AAA gun.

The Grenadiers must be full size they are they only real force you have to seize objectives in built up areas.  If you throw your Panthers into assualt I would love to demonstrate what my bazoka can do against that armor 5 on their side.

Good luck.
Author:  Napalm [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:44 am ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
Well, I'll make this for 1500 points games, and add panthers for 2000 points games. Sound like a good compromise.
Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
I have one platoon of each mark IV and Panther.  I use the Mark VI's in small games and the Panthers in big game 2000+.  

But I have a Grenaider platoon where the tanks are a support as oppsoed to an actual Tank company.
Author:  Napalm [ Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
Ok, with your advices, I've changed my 1500 point list for this:

HQ: 2 Panzer IV H (215)
Tank company: 4 Panzer IV H
AA support: 2 Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm)
Panzergrenadier company: Command Panzergrenadier Section with Sd Kfz 251/17 (+5), and 3 SS Panzergrenadier squads in Sd Kfz 251/1 D
Artillery support: 1 Launcher Section (3x 15cm NW41 rocket launchers)
Fallschirmjäger platoon: Command Fallschirmjäger section with 2 Fallschirmjäger squads

I can also buy one more Panzer IV and replace the Fallschirmjäger with it, along with adding some options.
Author:  Nicodemus [ Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
That looks much like my list at 1500 points!

You can (was it) kampftgroup your panzers in to 2 * 3 tank platoons. You just take you 2iC and 2 Pz-IV to form platoon of 3 and leave 2 Pz-IV and you Company Commander to other.

I have found scouts great, ok they are smaller than Fallschirmjägers, but when attacking tank heavy list (like my 1500 American 17 shermans of doom) you can arm them all with fausts! And they cost just 5 points more than FJ:s.

And if you have to leave 3 platoons in reserve (like I had to today...) those Scouts can ride with their Swimwagens to their death when they arrive after 3+ turn, instead of footslogging the whole way.
Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:59 am ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
To be a valid army list you will need two tank platoons minimum if you are building a Tank company.  

The list is very well balanced with a variety of forces.  It is an excellent starting point that you can add to easily.  

Good luck
Author:  Napalm [ Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
Quote: (Cuban Commissar @ 30 Jan. 2009, 08:59 )

To be a valid army list you will need two tank platoons minimum if you are building a Tank company.  

That's a point a bit unclear to me:

The army box (2nd panzer division Das Reich) i've bought list is really similar to my list, there is just 1 tank platoon and the SS armoured panzer grenadiers in this list which belong to an other list in the Cobra book.
Is this OK or to be valid you have to put another tank platoon?
Author:  Nicodemus [ Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
2. SS (and 12.) can use Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier as their mandatory combat platoon in Tank Company.
Author:  Napalm [ Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
Thanks, I've missed that.
Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:10 am ]
Post subject:  Fist Army list
And I wasn't aware of that so all is well.

Now where did I but those B-17 models I have some german armor to take out... :))
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