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Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Wed May 03, 2006 7:38 pm ]
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Here is the image of the Old Crow 15mm Sabre Heavy Tank



Pretty ain't it...:D

I plan to order some of these.  

I having trouble deciding what weapon declare the side missile pods.

So I'm turning to my fellow Sci-fi combat junkies to see what we can come up with.

So the basic question is what do you think those weapons represent.  

I keep switching back and force between heavy anti-vehicle missile system  or some kind of anti-infantry weapon, firing a  missile that explodes into many small cluster bombs.  The vehicle doesn't appear to have a co-ax weapon so I like the anti-infantry idea.  Kind of bring your own artillery option.  

I guess it could count as a Anti-Air weapon, but I like that option the least.  The lack of upward traverse on the turrent would make that difficult to imploy.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks
Author:  Heresiarch [ Wed May 03, 2006 7:50 pm ]
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What about a dual use system CC?

Kinda like the ADATS... Air Defense / Anti Tank System... that the Canadian forces use:

ADATS

or

ADATS #2

It's even an 8 shot weapon as well.

IMNSHO if you wanted to get really loopy you could even slap a thermo-baric round on it like I mentioned yesterday in the small turret thread. :laugh:
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Wed May 03, 2006 8:03 pm ]
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I like the idea of anti-infantry cluster munitions. In some circumstances, you could consider them some sort of shape-charged weapon for bunker-busting.
Author:  Heresiarch [ Wed May 03, 2006 8:22 pm ]
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Quote (Dwarf Supreme @ 03 May 2006 (13:03))
I like the idea of anti-infantry cluster munitions. In some circumstances, you could consider them some sort of shape-charged weapon for bunker-busting.

Before L4 sneaks in here I'll do it first! :(8:  :;):

To me you'd almost be better off considering the anti-personnel munitions as being a dedicated item mounted on the hull of the tank like the anit buzz bomb strips are on the vehicles in the Slammer's books.

And now that I think about it theres also flechette munitions as on the M255A1 hydra FFAR rockets:

Hydra Flechettes

Although I think in game terms you'd still be better using those as unguided rounds than as missiles.
Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Wed May 03, 2006 9:15 pm ]
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Heresiarch,

Thats is a cool system alright.  The limited traverse is the only think that keeps me from making it a Anti-Air system.
Author:  dafrca [ Thu May 04, 2006 12:37 am ]
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OK, not to drag too much real world into SciFi after ranting against it on another thread, but.... :p

Main Battle Tanks or Heavy Battle Tanks are designed to do what? Fight Tanks. I would make these heavy Anti-Vehicles Missile Launchers and leave the worry about Infantry to the IFV and troops that should be integrated into the same formation. Let the weapon system do what it was designed to do.

I would make a platoon with a few of the MBTs and a couple of the Glave APCs. Assign to the Platoon a pair of Slingshot AFV and you have a nice combined arms formation.

Glave:


Slingshot:


Just a thought.

dafrca
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu May 04, 2006 1:24 am ]
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WEll, "H" beat me to it !    :;):  But I have to agree with him !  Good Job !   See whAT HAppens when I'm away at the gym !   :D
Author:  dafrca [ Thu May 04, 2006 2:25 am ]
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Quote (Legion 4 @ 03 May 2006 (17:24))
See whAT Happens when I'm away at the gym ! ? :D

You get a good workout and get in good shape over time?   ???

:laugh:

Sorry, just seemed to demand a smart-ass answer.  :cool:

dafrca
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu May 04, 2006 5:35 am ]
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Thanks Daf ... I just thought I got sweaty and smelly ! :laugh: ?But I digress (! :laugh: ), those weapons pods, could be either AT missiles, like the turret sponson TOWs on the M2 Bradley or the Claymore like ordinance on Hammer's M2 Ursas (Blowers) or M9s Cbt Cars ... ?:;):
Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Thu May 04, 2006 6:05 am ]
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Ok guys I hear you, but...

Why would you want two dedicated anti-tank weapons on the same chasis?

Do we have an example of that in real world. ?

Thanks

P.S. - Dafcra you know there will infantry support I'm a Mech infantry die hard you know.  Debating between the Glaive and th larger one.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu May 04, 2006 6:13 am ]
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Well I can't think of any real world AFVs that have 2 dedicated AT weapons ... but there may be one out there !  So if I had to make a choice, those should be like the Claymore type weapons on the Ursa and M9 !    :D
Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Thu May 04, 2006 6:33 am ]
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Quote (Legion 4 @ 03 May 2006 (23:13))
So if I had to make a choice, those should be like the Claymore type weapons on the Ursa and M9 ! ? ?:D

Legion I need an education what are those weapons?

Thanks
Author:  dafrca [ Thu May 04, 2006 6:38 am ]
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Quote (Cuban Commissar @ 03 May 2006 (22:05))
Debating between the Glaive and th larger one.

I would go Glaive myself. I like the shape better where the large one feels like a "Tank Light" to me.

Course there goes my "Style over Substance" again.  :p

dafrca
Author:  Cuban Commissar [ Thu May 04, 2006 6:45 am ]
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Quote (dafrca @ 03 May 2006 (23:38))
Quote (Cuban Commissar @ 03 May 2006 (22:05))
Debating between the Glaive and th larger one.

I would go Glaive myself. I like the shape better where the large one feels like a "Tank Light" to me.

Course there goes my "Style over Substance" again. ?:p

dafrca

I'm not convinced I like the larger one either.  but I want to have a large APC capable of carring a full squad.

Dafcra think along the lines of the difference between the SdKfz 251 vs the SdKfz 250 and your understand while I trying to hold the Gliave as the "lighter" APC.
Author:  dafrca [ Thu May 04, 2006 6:45 am ]
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Quote (Cuban Commissar @ 03 May 2006 (22:05))
Ok guys I hear you, but...

Why would you want two dedicated anti-tank weapons on the same chasis?

Do we have an example of that in real world. ?

Two thoughts, not linked:

1: Why does something have to exist in real life today in order to be a good idea in the future?

I can not think of one today, but SciFi has lots of them. Starting with the obvious ones Bolo, OGRE, other Super Tank Stories.

2: Why not make them pods that come with a range of warheads like stated by others previous, but make it "selectable". meaning the load could adjust to the mission.

Right now they are playing with guns with dual or even tri-feed magazines. The gunner selects the feed needed at the time. maybe these are like that. Eight tubes each with a selection of three or four "rockets" inside.

If you look at some of the DP9 heavy gear pods they are done that way. This would even allow Salvo launches if desired by the gunner.

Just a thought.

dafrca
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