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Post subject: SciFi and Time  Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:53 pm |
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| Quote (Markconz @ 16 April 2006 (20:08)) | Just ignore the GURPS bit and appreciate the setting  |
Hehe... in almost 25 years of gaming I have yet to meet more than maybe a half-dozen people who actually play GURPS as GURPS.
OTOH though it seems like almost everyone I've met who plays RPGs has at least one GURPS book as "reference material".
Transhuman Space is well worth it just for that. While I'm thinking about it Dafrca maybe check out the TS forum on the Steve Jackon Games' website. Might give you a better feel for it at no cost. 
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:05 pm |
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:50 am |
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Cool, thanks for sharing.
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:52 am |
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| Quote (Heresiarch @ 17 April 2006 (14:53)) | | Transhuman Space is well worth it just for that. While I'm thinking about it Dafrca maybe check out the TS forum on the Steve Jackon Games' website. Might give you a better feel for it at no cost. |
Thanks, I also plan on swinging by the GURPS rack at the local store. I will explore it more.
Thanks Again.
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:15 pm |
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| Quote (Markconz @ 17 April 2006 (23:05)) | And a moot court hearing to test the case for whether a concious computer will be granted citiizen rights (note the estimated timeframe for 'conscious' computers):
http://www.kurzweilai.net/news....%3D5456 |
This made me smile:
predicts that supercomputers will achieve the hardware processing power of the brain (10 to the 16th power bits per second) by around 2013 and that this level of processing will be available for $1000 by around 2020. |
Like speed of processing is the most important factor! Computers are already faster at processing than the human brain by a LOT. It will be more than seven years before we are able to replicate the inherant parallel processing and robustness and adaptability of the brain!
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:05 am |
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Speaking of Robot Soldiers, read the article " THe Killing Factory" in the latest Rolling Stone Mag. ?It's about Infantry Training at Ft. Benning, GA ... The US Army's Infantry School. ?In my 10? years in the Infantry, I was assigned there 3 times ... ?The article is pretty good, not sure if the author is pro or con ... but it's a good wake up for those who never "been there" ! Just a side bar ... Turning young male humans to react like machines ...  I remember ...
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:59 am |
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:57 am |
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| Quote (Markconz @ 18 April 2006 (13:22)) | | Agreed, but then that 7 years is not an estimate of 'consciousness' in computers (as a postgrad in neuroscience I dislike that 'c' word anyway!). Rather they are an estimate of a certain level of raw processing power throught critical as a platform for reverse engineering the human brain. ?Mind you his estimates of that event are still astonishing (within 40 years). The predictions are based on the exponential trends which exist in almost every branch of technology. (Sorry the estimates I referred to are available through links from that article! ). |
Very true, but it still places the emphasis firmly on the development of processing power as the key to 'the big C' (I disagree with the 'c word' for exactly the same reasons as you!), or even some recognition of 'life as seen in the eyes of the law' - which are likely to be seperate things. For example, it assumes that the current branch of development in technology will some day result in 'lifelike' technology, and that we didnt take a wrong turn earlier down the road that this is impossible using the existing paradigm._________________ https://www.cybershadow.ninja - A brief look into my twisted world, including wargames and beyond. https://www.net-armageddon.org - The official NetEA (Epic Armageddon) site and resource.
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:08 am |
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Turning young male humans to react like machines ... I remember ... |
Nobody who hasnt done it, can really understand the "spirit of the bayonet" training.
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:01 pm |
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| Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 16 April 2006 (15:16)) | Hi Dafrca,
I don't know about that, Dafrca...
The thing is that the public imagination never seems to get much farther than we are in terms of technological or social
development...
- Go too far and your project is abherent...
- Go just a little ahead and your project is groundbreaking...
Look at TV sci-fi... it doesn't sell well if is really futuristic, but the many sci-fi shows with set stories and little imagination sell very well...
People are generally looking for dramas adn whatnot when it comes to media and not futuristic imagination.
In another example, look at how far Battletech has come from the 1980s...
Chag Sameach and Shalom,
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Thats why Babylon 5 works well. 250 years is just far enough to give a blank canvass to write on but not so far into the future that we cant envisagon it.
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:56 pm |
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| Quote (wargame_insomniac @ 19 April 2006 (06:01)) | | Thats why Babylon 5 works well. 250 years is just far enough to give a blank canvass to write on but not so far into the future that we cant envisagon it. |
That and that in order for any true SciFi story to work it needs to be a good story.
When talking about what makes a good SciFi game I must admit I do not like to look at the TV and movies. What makes a good Movie is not the same things that make a good game. Just look at how bad the Aliens RPG was and yet the movie is loved by many .
SciFi TV and Movies are first stories and characters that someone else controls and we are passive in our consumption. With games, the designer has to capture your imagination and present a world rich enough that you will want to go visit yourself.
Hum, I think I am ranting so I will stop.
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:33 am |
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Didn't Nichze say something like, Daf ? Good point ! And yes, Tas you know the deal !
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Post subject: SciFi and Time Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:22 am |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 19 April 2006 (16:33)) | | Didn't Nichze say something like, Daf ? ?Good point ! ? |
I am not sure where that came from, could have been him. I just know it does seem to be true.
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