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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:09 pm 
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It seems we are before a 5th edition of Epic, heavily based on 1st/2nd ed.

HH only, like everything started, what a reboot!! ;D

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:05 am 
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Saw it on Facebook ... the models are very nice. Seems like the Infantry is a little bigger ... But I'm not going to start Epic 5.0. I've too much Epic/6mm Sci-fi as it is. So, like the new bigger Titans, I'll leave it all up to you youngsters ....

if you have not seen this ... enjoy !

https://www.warhammer-community.com/202 ... uyheLb4tE4

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:13 am 
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Maybe a stat leak
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:51 pm 
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Hmmm ... very interesting if true ?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:05 am 
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SquatWarlord wrote:

It doesn't really make sense, though.

If it's a set of unit stats, why are the profiles incomplete (no mention of weapons, ranges etc.) and why does it include list-building information.

If it's for list-building, why does it include some unit stats?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:59 pm 
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It might be that the weapon profiles just come as a separate entry.

Remember that the original/SM stats and unit profiles were split across two sheets too.

Also, the fact that it was leaked before we learnt that the new game was based off of SM 2nd, and these stats closely resemble that game (with the exception of the W/wounds stat).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:26 am 
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The Epic weapons stats in some cases may be similar or the same as the new Big Titan states. Like in AT1/SM1 ...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:20 pm 
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It will be interesting how it turns out. The main potential stumbling blocks for me are the price (it will be a completely new system for a lot of people, and they need to convince people to make the 'jump') - one of the great strengths of Epic, which still lasts to this day really, was that it was playable cheaply. All of my friends and I played Epic as kids because of that.

Also, if they are basing the rules off of Space Marine, I hope they keep it streamlined and simple. I don't want them to do a Necromunda, and me turning myself into a fire hazard because of the amount of books I need to carry to play a game. So, hope that they keep the game easy to access and learn.


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Well I will admit I do like the tank models ... But I just don't need'm ... E.g. :


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Astonished that they acknowledged that anything pre 2013 purge exists!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/202 ... ld-vs-new/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/202 ... throwdown/

Some slight confusion in their own article - talk about 'plastic' Leman Russ tanks whilst referring, I think, to resin FW models? And a pewter rhino prototype - weren't all the pre 90s models lead?

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Yes, FW made resin L/Russes ... I have all the different type ...


Many early models pre-'90 were metal plus plastic in e.g. SM1 game.


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Stormwind wrote:
Astonished that they acknowledged that anything pre 2013 purge exists!


Well, they had to, given that people would ask about it, no matter how obscure Epic is for GW clients. Plus, the video spree on Youtube about Epic probably made that pointless.

Still, they seem that they could be be hiding things, and the bad treatment they gave to EA, like when they called it ''trial rules'' on another article smells fishy.

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Some slight confusion in their own article - talk about 'plastic' Leman Russ tanks whilst referring, I think, to resin FW models? And a pewter rhino prototype - weren't all the pre 90s models lead?


The ''i think'' part was a bit cringey from their part. And they missed the Epic40k Leman too.

Counting the other article about story of Epic, there has been many, so its no longer surprising, unfortunately.
- Calling the SM2 Stormblade a Shadowsword.
- Confusing Epic40k's LR with EA's-wh40k 3rd ed version. But the retcon of calling them mk2b was expected as it happened already around 2000.
- Saying that the FW Tau range were made new for EA when almost all of them were released 2-3-4 years before ... same as most of what FW made in around Epic scale.
- Getting wrong what happened with AT2 in 2000-2001.
- Saying that the FW Epic Reaver is from 2003 (but at least recognized they didn't know exactly when it was released).
- There is also saying that EA was made by Specialist Games Studio instead of Fanatic Studio, but i am not sure of this completely: I re-investigated that for along time a year ago (thanks to Wayback Machine) because it always seemed strange and could not find a single mention of Specialist Games pre-mid2004. Even after that Jervis still signed everything as head of Fanatic, and the only few mentions of Specialist Games were for the games and when the word ''studio'' came was for Fanatic.
- And many others.

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You have to be conscious that the person writing the article was most likely in diapers or probably not even alive when those other games were released! So it will all have been reference material and perhaps the old mail order troll providing all of the info.

The new game certainly looks very detailed/granular from the reference material released. While ostensibly it is based on the SM 2nd edition, with some of the special rules (eight special rule references just for Terminators!) I actually wonder if it will have all of the detail of 1st edition, but then without any of the tactical nuance of Armageddon - the potential for the worst of both worlds.

Always a danger of course in just getting snapshots of the rules and not seeing them all in context, but I was hoping they would do something a bit more accessible, a bit less Necromunda (holding rule books full of page markings), but we will have to wait and see.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:07 pm 
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- There is also saying that EA was made by Specialist Games Studio instead of Fanatic Studio, but i am not sure of this completely: I re-investigated that for along time a year ago (thanks to Wayback Machine) because it always seemed strange and could not find a single mention of Specialist Games pre-mid2004. Even after that Jervis still signed everything as head of Fanatic, and the only few mentions of Specialist Games were for the games and when the word ''studio'' came was for Fanatic.

I am reasonably sure that the transition of the department itself from Fanatic Studio to Specialist Games studio was made after the EA release. Part of the confusion is because there had been a “Specialist Games range” for quite a while and it even had its own website as far back as 2002/2003, but the team itself was known as the Fanatic Studio and that’s what the magazines and website were signed off as. So it could be difficult to establish an exact date even if there was one.

At some point they did stop using the Fanatic nomenclature and became known as just Specialist Games, largely I suspect because the website moved from a “/fanatic” section of the games-workshop domain to its own specialist-games.com, which initially had the same content but then switched over to the new design when it was ready. I am pretty sure this switch was in 2005. If you think about it, this is like Forge World - the website and the division being one and the same. And yes “specialist games studio” was commonly used to refer to the division/team rather than the range of games. The team themselves did continue to refer to themselves as Fanatic though - in the Swordwind introduction they still have the address as Fanatic even though the website is specialist games.

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I am reasonably sure that the transition of the department itself from Fanatic Studio to Specialist Games studio was made after the EA release. Part of the confusion is because there had been a “Specialist Games range” for quite a while and it even had its own website as far back as 2002/2003,

At some point they did stop using the Fanatic nomenclature and became known as just Specialist Games, largely I suspect because the website moved from a “/fanatic” section of the games-workshop domain to its own specialist-games.com, which initially had the same content but then switched over to the new design when it was ready. I am pretty sure this switch was in 2005. If you think about it, this is like Forge World - the website and the division being one and the same.

And yes “specialist games studio” was commonly used to refer to the division/team rather than the range of games. The team themselves did continue to refer to themselves as Fanatic though - in the Swordwind introduction they still have the address as Fanatic even though the website is specialist games.


It was a bit different from that, but yes, the change was after the release, and there was a duality in naming conventions, so the time and way the ''Specialist Games'' words were used is confusing, but on the other side the words ''SG Studio'' are used nowhere:

- http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/ first article is from 15th of April, 2004, as part of Games Workshop website accessed through http://uk.games-workshop.com/specialistgames/. Still no mention of the ''SG'' words anywhere besides the Url. What i do not know is how long it went on, so probably that's the transition you mention around 2005 when they moved to the final version which lasted till around 2014.
- There is an older website from at least middle-2003 at the same http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/ made in advance for the release of EA.
- On at least 2002 they had http://www.games-workshop.com/40kuniverse/epic40k.htm as the Epic (40.000) website, besides or before http://www.epic-battles.com and the others used for EA.
- The forum at http://www.specialist-games.com/40kuniv ... ult/forum/ where all development for EA was made was closed a few months before the release on 27th of July 2003 and /http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic/ was created. At a certain point in 2004 this second one was replaced with another but i am not sure on the details.
- But the announcement that Fanatic was going to close wasn't made until the 11th of November, 2004, around two months before Swordwind's release, and there is no mention of a new Studio being created but instead insist they will be completely absorbed by the main one and only a few employees will work on the games they did till that point. It was at this time when Jervis stopped using his fanatic@games-workshop.co.uk e-mail in the signature, personal e-mail, and as contact info to change it to jervis@games-workshop.co.uk, and begun writing the words ''Specialist Games range'' for the first time.
- On WD (but only on UK one), from at least May 2002 onwards but not in 2001, Specialist Games and http://www.specialist-games.com/ are mentioned, but not a Studio or a miniature range.
- Epic40k magazine begun to show http://www.specialist-games.com/ instead of http://www.fanatic-games.com for contact on early-middle 2002 but not a SG Studio or a SG miniature range are mentioned either.
- From at least since around 2003 onwards, the Specialist Games section of the store was up, at http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront ... nav=300808, but there is only mention of a SG range, and not of a SG Studio again. No mention of Fanatic either. ::) :'(
- Curiously, there is no mention of a ''SG Studio'' even on the 2005 Catalogue, but ''SG Range'' appears and with a logo. By the way, I see no SG Studio logo on Lexicanum which makes me think there wasn't.

So to summarize:
- http://www.specialist-games.com/ as a url for the games Fanatic worked with existed since at least 2002. Pages for each game using that Url exist since at least 2003.
- The words ''Specialist Games'' have been used by GW since 2002. Fanatic, besides the Url part of their websites did only from November 2004 when it announced it was being closed.
- The words ''Specialist Games Studio'' haven't been mentioned anywhere even in SG publications till at least 2005 but haven't checked further, and Jervis insists they will be merged with the rest and no new sub-studio part of the GW one is being created. Sincerely i am beginning to think the SG Studio is half a myth and a recent creation, so till then it was people that got randomly assigned to those games when they were needed and only till they finished with the task.

It could be that the full move did not happen till 2005? Maybe, but it is pretty sure it begun before.

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