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The Return of Adeptus Titanicus

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:18 pm 
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I'm quite tempted to get one to counts as an impressive Siege Warlord in the Epic UK Iron Warriors list.

could be fun. love to see you paint one up. especially doesn't matter if you measure to the base on the model for LOS/LOF (it's on the same base as the warlord after all)

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maybe more that people generally have migrated to facebook groups rather than forums these days.

Fizzbook and Discord are where most conversation happens now. Good bad or other, it's just how it is. A few dozen posts a day is fairly typical of most epic-ish groups.

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I don't know if the Net-EA titan lists will ever add the new titans as playtesting here seems to have largely died sadly.


Also people are far more interested in beer and pretzels gaming right now it seems. I think tournament centric open development type testing just isn't what most people really want anymore. They want something fun, thematic, with some semblance of a reasonable structure but aren't too fussed about 'tournament balanced'. The number of randoms I see on Facebook playing with the Tallarn idea Apoc and I wrote in an afternoon, which was never anything more than a proof concept, anecdotally I feel kinda backs that up. I was super surprised when I found out someone posted it to an army builder.

It seems people are less worried about some mythical balance vs just putting a bunch of models on a table for fun. Undoubtedly COVID has a lot to do with that as the idea of going to a tourney and stored based pickup games is about the farthest thing from most people's minds than playing with their little covid-pod circle of friends. Controversially, I don't think NetEA Approved status solves any problem the vast majority of epic players seem to care about. The UK, due to demographics and geography is a much different world than most of North America however so EpicUK really seems to be well suited.

Sure it could be 'tested' but also there's probably really no need to add a Warmaster to Epic. It's really easy enough to just use it in place of the assumed Emperor stats developed for EA. If GW somehow amazingly make an Empy titan we can then see just how much more insane the stats are but what we have now for an Empy is already functionally unplayable (my opinion) to anything other than another W/E based list at very high points (facing a conceptual ETC, AMTL, AT, that Tau walker, or GBM lists specifically) when you're bringing it already. If we want to stat up the new additional battle titan weapons for EA, more power to us, but there's not much to be gained I feel. The Warbringer is a bit different as it's an uparmored arty reaver in many ways and could be interesting for play but is it really all that different that using it as a reaver with a quake cannon requires?

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The existing empy stats don't have enough room to fit the Warmaster in really to make it at all functionally different. It's so big as to be a good proxy for the empy in play anyways.

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I'd be happy to do some serious playtesting of the Warmaster if there are any proposed rules?

I'm just part way through assembly my titan army.


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There are some Warmaster rules being worked on for the Epic UK Adeptus Titanicus list (the more modern of the two titan legion lists Epic UK have and based more around the newer AT range).

The Epic UK lists - that are used at the regular UK Epic tournaments around the UK - are closed development and testing though and not publicly tested. From chatting to some of the testers I've heard the Warmaster is being tested, so I know it's coming at some point, but I'm not involved myself.


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i'm a fan of the EUK take on the AT18 model line compatible (optimized?) list. It's quite nice

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I was recently bought a Warmaster as a birthday gift (very kind of them!)

I'm planning to use as a 'counts as' Imperator in NetEpic currently, there will be a few idiosyncracies (and I have to look at the detail) but hopefully it should be fine for games amongst friends.


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I was recently bought a Warmaster as a birthday gift (very kind of them!)

I'm planning to use as a 'counts as' Imperator in NetEpic currently, there will be a few idiosyncracies (and I have to look at the detail) but hopefully it should be fine for games amongst friends.


that's my (eventual) plan too! honestly seems a great fit

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jimmyzimms wrote:
Also people are far more interested in beer and pretzels gaming right now it seems. I think tournament centric open development type testing just isn't what most people really want anymore. They want something fun, thematic, with some semblance of a reasonable structure but aren't too fussed about 'tournament balanced'. The number of randoms I see on Facebook playing with the Tallarn idea Apoc and I wrote in an afternoon, which was never anything more than a proof concept, anecdotally I feel kinda backs that up. I was super surprised when I found out someone posted it to an army builder.

It seems people are less worried about some mythical balance vs just putting a bunch of models on a table for fun.

Online testing has mostly died but all the Epic players I’ve gamed with (in the UK and also Australia and New Zealand while living down under for a few years) have generally played tournament style balanced games even for friendly games. I’m sure there’s also a bunch of very casual players too but I don’t see that as a good argument not to balance or expand lists as I would guess the considerable majority of players use army lists for their games.
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Undoubtedly COVID has a lot to do with that as the idea of going to a tourney and stored based pickup games is about the farthest thing from most people's minds than playing with their little covid-pod circle of friends.

I think that’ll vary by location these days. I went to an Epic tournament in a crowded venue last month. More than 90% of UK adults have been vaccinated now and nearly all the restrictions are gone. I feel bad for you in the US where anti-vaxxing has become political and stupidly popular!

Counting as an Emperor might be ok with some of the old veterans but many of us like to have stats based on the actual model and what it has. I think there are good reasons for having an Epic list written around the modern titans too, as an easier in to the game to the Adeptus Titanicus crowd. There was also an AT tournament running the same day as the Epic tournament I was at last month and they had maybe 3-4 times as many players as us. We’re having occasional success in tempting AT players to try start trying Epic using their AT army (and I expect the upcoming marine flyers will tempt a bunch more people in to try Epic too).

Also while using a Warmaster as an Emperor seems reasonable there’s no current Emperor stats that remotely match the new Iconoclast close combat / low range specialised one.


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do we have iconoclast weapon stats yet tho?

also I think you're misunderstanding me. I am saying the emperor stats are probably about the Warmaster's power level in reality for EA. That's what we should call it. The emperor is probably an army in a unit from the way they're positioning it in recent fluff. It totally erases scout titans on that AT mission where it's off table.

I get that UK has a major tournament scene. That's literally not the norm anywhere else other than perhaps AU and even then most peeps I talk with play more casual with a couple of bigger tourneys. Irrespective, EpicAU doesn't play EA anymore anyways. Not that they're in the 30k setting but instead they've branched the core rulebook and are taking the original game in a new direction that's no longer compatible. Good for them. But I digress.
There's no testing basically because most people DGAF. Sorry. :spin

We'd be better off at this point having Dave, Steve, Kyuss, Apoc, Norto, Tim, other Steve, and Richard basically discussing and litmus testing lists ala EUK style honestly. Again, sorry.

I think you're reading me as "don't make EA stats for huge toys". No I am saying that they're not needed in a tournament setting. I want them in lists. I just don't see any real need for this mythical open testing balance that the afore mentioned players couldn't give us in committee, that's all. :)

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