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The Return of Adeptus Titanicus

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:18 pm 
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I'm quite tempted to get one to counts as an impressive Siege Warlord in the Epic UK Iron Warriors list.

could be fun. love to see you paint one up. especially doesn't matter if you measure to the base on the model for LOS/LOF (it's on the same base as the warlord after all)

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maybe more that people generally have migrated to facebook groups rather than forums these days.

Fizzbook and Discord are where most conversation happens now. Good bad or other, it's just how it is. A few dozen posts a day is fairly typical of most epic-ish groups.

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I don't know if the Net-EA titan lists will ever add the new titans as playtesting here seems to have largely died sadly.


Also people are far more interested in beer and pretzels gaming right now it seems. I think tournament centric open development type testing just isn't what most people really want anymore. They want something fun, thematic, with some semblance of a reasonable structure but aren't too fussed about 'tournament balanced'. The number of randoms I see on Facebook playing with the Tallarn idea Apoc and I wrote in an afternoon, which was never anything more than a proof concept, anecdotally I feel kinda backs that up. I was super surprised when I found out someone posted it to an army builder.

It seems people are less worried about some mythical balance vs just putting a bunch of models on a table for fun. Undoubtedly COVID has a lot to do with that as the idea of going to a tourney and stored based pickup games is about the farthest thing from most people's minds than playing with their little covid-pod circle of friends. Controversially, I don't think NetEA Approved status solves any problem the vast majority of epic players seem to care about. The UK, due to demographics and geography is a much different world than most of North America however so EpicUK really seems to be well suited.

Sure it could be 'tested' but also there's probably really no need to add a Warmaster to Epic. It's really easy enough to just use it in place of the assumed Emperor stats developed for EA. If GW somehow amazingly make an Empy titan we can then see just how much more insane the stats are but what we have now for an Empy is already functionally unplayable (my opinion) to anything other than another W/E based list at very high points (facing a conceptual ETC, AMTL, AT, that Tau walker, or GBM lists specifically) when you're bringing it already. If we want to stat up the new additional battle titan weapons for EA, more power to us, but there's not much to be gained I feel. The Warbringer is a bit different as it's an uparmored arty reaver in many ways and could be interesting for play but is it really all that different that using it as a reaver with a quake cannon requires?

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The existing empy stats don't have enough room to fit the Warmaster in really to make it at all functionally different. It's so big as to be a good proxy for the empy in play anyways.

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I'd be happy to do some serious playtesting of the Warmaster if there are any proposed rules?

I'm just part way through assembly my titan army.


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There are some Warmaster rules being worked on for the Epic UK Adeptus Titanicus list (the more modern of the two titan legion lists Epic UK have and based more around the newer AT range).

The Epic UK lists - that are used at the regular UK Epic tournaments around the UK - are closed development and testing though and not publicly tested. From chatting to some of the testers I've heard the Warmaster is being tested, so I know it's coming at some point, but I'm not involved myself.


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i'm a fan of the EUK take on the AT18 model line compatible (optimized?) list. It's quite nice

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I was recently bought a Warmaster as a birthday gift (very kind of them!)

I'm planning to use as a 'counts as' Imperator in NetEpic currently, there will be a few idiosyncracies (and I have to look at the detail) but hopefully it should be fine for games amongst friends.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:35 pm 
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I was recently bought a Warmaster as a birthday gift (very kind of them!)

I'm planning to use as a 'counts as' Imperator in NetEpic currently, there will be a few idiosyncracies (and I have to look at the detail) but hopefully it should be fine for games amongst friends.


that's my (eventual) plan too! honestly seems a great fit

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Also people are far more interested in beer and pretzels gaming right now it seems. I think tournament centric open development type testing just isn't what most people really want anymore. They want something fun, thematic, with some semblance of a reasonable structure but aren't too fussed about 'tournament balanced'. The number of randoms I see on Facebook playing with the Tallarn idea Apoc and I wrote in an afternoon, which was never anything more than a proof concept, anecdotally I feel kinda backs that up. I was super surprised when I found out someone posted it to an army builder.

It seems people are less worried about some mythical balance vs just putting a bunch of models on a table for fun.

Online testing has mostly died but all the Epic players I’ve gamed with (in the UK and also Australia and New Zealand while living down under for a few years) have generally played tournament style balanced games even for friendly games. I’m sure there’s also a bunch of very casual players too but I don’t see that as a good argument not to balance or expand lists as I would guess the considerable majority of players use army lists for their games.
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Undoubtedly COVID has a lot to do with that as the idea of going to a tourney and stored based pickup games is about the farthest thing from most people's minds than playing with their little covid-pod circle of friends.

I think that’ll vary by location these days. I went to an Epic tournament in a crowded venue last month. More than 90% of UK adults have been vaccinated now and nearly all the restrictions are gone. I feel bad for you in the US where anti-vaxxing has become political and stupidly popular!

Counting as an Emperor might be ok with some of the old veterans but many of us like to have stats based on the actual model and what it has. I think there are good reasons for having an Epic list written around the modern titans too, as an easier in to the game to the Adeptus Titanicus crowd. There was also an AT tournament running the same day as the Epic tournament I was at last month and they had maybe 3-4 times as many players as us. We’re having occasional success in tempting AT players to try start trying Epic using their AT army (and I expect the upcoming marine flyers will tempt a bunch more people in to try Epic too).

Also while using a Warmaster as an Emperor seems reasonable there’s no current Emperor stats that remotely match the new Iconoclast close combat / low range specialised one.


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do we have iconoclast weapon stats yet tho?

also I think you're misunderstanding me. I am saying the emperor stats are probably about the Warmaster's power level in reality for EA. That's what we should call it. The emperor is probably an army in a unit from the way they're positioning it in recent fluff. It totally erases scout titans on that AT mission where it's off table.

I get that UK has a major tournament scene. That's literally not the norm anywhere else other than perhaps AU and even then most peeps I talk with play more casual with a couple of bigger tourneys. Irrespective, EpicAU doesn't play EA anymore anyways. Not that they're in the 30k setting but instead they've branched the core rulebook and are taking the original game in a new direction that's no longer compatible. Good for them. But I digress.
There's no testing basically because most people DGAF. Sorry. :spin

We'd be better off at this point having Dave, Steve, Kyuss, Apoc, Norto, Tim, other Steve, and Richard basically discussing and litmus testing lists ala EUK style honestly. Again, sorry.

I think you're reading me as "don't make EA stats for huge toys". No I am saying that they're not needed in a tournament setting. I want them in lists. I just don't see any real need for this mythical open testing balance that the afore mentioned players couldn't give us in committee, that's all. :)

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I have recently read rumors that GW has plans to include rules for Aeronautica Imperialis aircraft in Adeptus Titanicus, along with adding rules for tanks and infantry.

The rumors made it sound like the basic rules for AT wouldn't change much, so the addition of all the smaller stuff will just make it that much more complicated.

The timeframe on all of this wasn't clear, but it sounded like something that would happen in the next year or two.

I'm hoping that means we might get Ork and Eldar titans (since we have aircraft for those already), but I guess time will tell.

EDIT: Oh, and all of the new vehicles/infantry would be done in resin, not plastic :(


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well a beast setting would be long overdue and welcome to AT. Likewise Eldar of all types.

In any case all this is a meh situation as the modeling community has literally provided almost everything already in free or super low cost STLs. I mean this is done on a sub $200 home printer by a friend of mine from 100% free files.
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Add in the beyond superb offerings from VGM that clown even what we did there's nothing GW is providing of value beyond rules, most of which we'd probably ignore anyways; We've had orks and eldar in AT as fan rules for two years already. At least though it would mean the line continues to get attention and thus doesn't go OOP. I will always welcome hard plastic versions of stompy robots and zoomy airplanes

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Have you got a link for these rumours out of curiosity semajnollissor?

Things seem unclear and contradictory as other recentish rumours have said AT and AI have not sold well enough for them to re-release Epic or keep the games expanding and they’re just going to release a small amount more for the two games and that will be it.

It does seem odd that they didn't bother releasing a campaign book for the marines and Eldar in AI (doubly odd as the Marines probably outsell all other armies combined as they do in 40k) which leads me to think there could be something in them winding down support for the game. They also recently changed strategy with AT and rather than releasing the ongoing series of campaign books they were doing they put out two collated ones for Imperials and Chaos. Perhaps that also suggests a change of direction or them winding up the game but it's hard to know.

I don't play AI or AT myself but I've bought hundreds of models for them to use for Epic Armageddon so more models would be nice but I'm not bothered about the games as such personally. If they did re-release Epic it's very likely it'd be 30k marines vs marines only and only a limited range of marines at that.


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Here is where I read the rumor.

Regarding the 'missing' Aeronautica Imperialis campaign book for the Eldar and Space Marines, I assumed that it would be released later, due to supply chain problems. That might just be wishful thinking on my part, but it is a big gap in that line.

I'm not sure about the overall economics of either of the two games, but I do find it interesting that GW has restocked quite a few of the AT printed materials. All of the campaign books for AT are currently available. I know some of those were out of stock for a while, which means GW must have done a second print run for them. I don't think that GW would bother with that if they weren't looking to maintain the game.

I snagged a few of the new Eldar planes for AI and they are great models - better than the older resin ones, and better than any of the forumware analogs (but I am very biased in favor of polystyrene and against resin of all types). I've never been satisfied with any of the available 3D models of the Eldar vehicles, so I'm hoping that eventually GW will produce those in plastic at some point in the future. Maybe in 10 years, right before they redesign the falcon for 40k.

The main thing that has kept me from getting into AT is the lack of anything other than human titans. I don't want to play as Imperials or traitors, so the game doesn't offer much for me. Also, when I watch battle reports of AT on YouTube, the game just seems needlessly complicated compared to EA.


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They also just announced an entire new faction for AI this week as well. The entire AI and AT timeline has been 40k Bros every 3-4 months starting a rumor leak [air quotes] that the game is being cancelled, no joke.

Maybe it'll be considered complete, maybe not. However what I do know is none of those reported rumors have any actual knowledge.

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That site is on the more unreliable end of rumours I believe. Could turn out to be true but I wouldn't get your hopes up too much incase it turns out to be made up.

In terms of Falcons this guy here does some excellent infantry and vehicles - https://cults3d.com/en/users/Lord_Chronos/creations

AT doesn't really appeal to me much either for a few reasons. Playing just human titans and knight matchup all the time feels boring to me and I'd rather just use the models to play Epic. We're talking about maybe having an Epic tournament locally at some point where only armies of titans and knights can be used but allowing orks, eldar, squats, ones etc.


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Can someone identify the model in the lower left that GW used for scale in this photo?
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I stole this image from here, where there are a few more images that show the same little dude.

In the past GW has used photoshopped 40k minis to show the scale of the AT models, but this one seems like it is an Epic-scale model (even though it is clearly still photoshopped into the image). Is it one of the old imperial guard models? I don't recognize it.


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