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CHS vs. GW verdict.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:17 pm 
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And CHS just got an ad campaign they couldn't buy - even with $25k!



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:33 pm 
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I for one am happy with the verdict. Protecting IP is one thing, but the overreaching that GW does has gotten beyond ridiculous. Chapterhouse wasn't even hurting GW's bottom line. I for one was pissed at the time it took GW to come out with models for a particular army that they had rules for, but no inclination to get the ACTUAL model on the table. In the end, I bought both, so the argument that it "hurt" their bottom line was a BS answer. If anything CH probably helps GW sell more of their product.

GW should have just left this one alone instead of playing their game of waiting til some company gains traction then swoop in and use the army of lawyers and scare tactics to bully someone that isn't even a threat.

BTW GW trolls, if your reading this you can't copyright a freaking shape. That's like them idiots at Monsanto and Pfizer trying to copyright the human gene...SCOTUS smashed that one into the ground. It's a natural law of the universe. :tut


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So, I'm guessing there will be more overt advertising of the SM shoulder pads and guns on shapeways. I assume this also means a free-for-all on generic turrets for our favorite 6mm game, which can now be explicitly stated as being Epic: Armageddon.

By the way, I produce model bunkers suitable for use in games of Epic: Armageddon (Epic: Armageddon is a copyright of Games Wokshop limited).

I hope that flies, I'm just starting to sell stuff on eBay. :)

It does make me wonder what the appropriate legalese is to be able to sell stuff like my bunkers with the minimum amount of harassment by a bully corporation.

I also wonder just how close an original design can be to an existing copyrighted design before it infringes. And can you sell replacement parts for each component of a model, to the extent that if you bought only replacement parts you would end up with a full model? I.E. A company sells shoulder pads (not protected by IP), arms, legs, generic armored body, generic sci Fi helmet. All separately - would that be fair use? I'm pretty sure there are several sellers like that on shapeways already.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:06 pm 
Too bad I'm so poor, or I would point my lawyer at the decision and see what sort of breathing room this gives us.


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Time for a Restore-Otter.org movement?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:14 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:03 am 
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semajnollissor wrote:
I assume this also means a free-for-all on generic turrets for our favorite 6mm game, which can now be explicitly stated as being Epic: Armageddon.


NO. You cannot sell items as being Epic: Armageddon items, that's equivalent to claiming that they're GW items and is what caused all the fuss in the first place. You can sell them as being compatible with Epic: Armageddon but even then I'd wait for the dust to settle and the any appeals to be resolved.

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IBy the way, I produce model bunkers suitable for use in games of Epic: Armageddon (Epic: Armageddon is a copyright of Games Wokshop limited).


Trademark, not copyright.

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Well, I intended the sentence be parsed so that it would read something like: these models are [intended] for use in games workshop's Epic:Armageddon. I. E. the model is for our favorite game, that game being epic: armageddon.

The distinction being that prior to the verdict, you'd be inviting a cease and desist if you mentioned the existence of the game in the same sentence/paragraph/page as the third party model intended to be used in said game. To be honest, the cease and desists will probably continue, just at greater risk of exposing GW to charges of harassment/abuse of the legal system.

Note we never imply ownership of the third party model. We always say the third party model, never your third party model.

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I would also like to contribute to the "Toddles Speaks To A Lawyer" appeal

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I too would be interested in what insights that mammal-lawyer conversation would bring. I think a lot of bullied creatives who have had a close encounter already would be. I'm guessing that some prior thinking is out while new style initiatives, such as Onslaught and the E&C plastics is in, regardless of prior agreements or threats.

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I'm very happy with this outcome.


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Right here should be the sign of the times and give some clue as to how CHS is taking the judgement:
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IJW Wartrader wrote:
NO. You cannot sell items as being Epic: Armageddon items, that's equivalent to claiming that they're GW items and is what caused all the fuss in the first place. You can sell them as being compatible with Epic: Armageddon but even then I'd wait for the dust to settle and the any appeals to be resolved.


Agreed. Probably the best description would be something like 'item is 1/300 or 6mm in scale, and therefore compatible with other 6mm games such as Future War Comander, and Games Workshops, Epic: Armageddon (tm)'.

There is a big difference in saying that it can be used with a game, and saying that it is part of the official game.

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