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...1941.

Remember Pearl Harbor.

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Sadly Most Americans don't remember ... but us old military, history, wargamers type do ... The one station has been showing that recent, but not so accurate(released at theaters about 8 or so years ago ?) Pearl Harbor movie with Ben Affleck on TV. But many watching probably don't understand the importance of the Pearl Harbor attack. To most of the younger generation, Vietnam is like ancient history ... let alone WWII or even WWI ... But some of us "old school" ... we remember ...

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I consider myself part of that younger generation and I still remember. Of course I grew up on a steady diet of old WWII documentaries. Remembering the date isn't the problem, remembering what date it is today is.

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"A military man can scarcely pride himself on having 'smitten a sleeping enemy'; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten. I would rather you made your appraisal after seeing what the enemy does, since it is certain that, angered and outraged, he will soon launch a determined counterattack." -Admirial Yamamoto

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Vaaish wrote:
I consider myself part of that younger generation and I still remember. Of course I grew up on a steady diet of old WWII documentaries. Remembering the date isn't the problem, remembering what date it is today is.

But you are a "History Wargamer" type ... ;) After all ... :D

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Remember the 6th and the 9th of August.

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carlos wrote:
Remember the 6th and the 9th of August.

Suggested reading: Max Hastings, Retribution, specifically the chapter "The Bombs".
If I respond any more forcefully than this I think I'll be breaching forum etiquette, so I'll leave it there.

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I remember the 6th & 9th of August, 1945 ... most who study history do ... it's all part of the history/legacy of WWII ... regardless ...

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Heh, I though this was either about the bankrun in France or the arrest of Julian Assange.

Sorry. :/

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Remember, remember, the 7th of December...

no, wait...

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captPiett wrote:
...1941.

Remember Pearl Harbor.


Hard for me to forget. It occurred to me this morning that next year will be the 70th anniversary. I wonder how many Pearl Harbor vets are still alive?

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I heard on the radio this morning that only 120 Vets are either 1) alive or 2) expected to be at Pearl Harbor today, can't remember which.

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Dwarf Supreme wrote:
captPiett wrote:
...1941.

Remember Pearl Harbor.


Hard for me to forget. It occurred to me this morning that next year will be the 70th anniversary. I wonder how many Pearl Harbor vets are still alive?
Fewer than before...

I'm a younger lad, but I have and always remember Dec. 7th. I grew up being grateful that my Great Grandfather survived that day and the war. He would tell me the story when I was young, that he was out there shooting in his Skives. I can't imagine growing up without him. He and my Great Grandmother raised me the first few years of my life while my mother worked Graveyard for McDonald Douglas. I love him and grateful for his service...

I haven't called him yet today...but I will.


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Spectrar Ghost wrote:
I heard on the radio this morning that only 120 Vets are either 1) alive or 2) expected to be at Pearl Harbor today, can't remember which.

I think its 2. There is a fair amount around still...


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"A military man can scarcely pride himself on having 'smitten a sleeping enemy'; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten. I would rather you made your appraisal after seeing what the enemy does, since it is certain that, angered and outraged, he will soon launch a determined counterattack." -Admirial Yamamoto


It was interesting teaching Yamamoto to a Navy class. Interesting how the officers I was teaching began -- pretty much in spite of themselves -- to understand Yamamoto's operational planning.

A smart and fairly tragic fellow. He had a very good appreciation of the way the war would likely go. Unfortunately, he at his pay grade, he was in charge of operations, not strategy or policy. More unfortunately, arguably, some of those who actually set policy dodged the noose at the end of WWII.


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