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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:21 pm 
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So it looks like there are two main groups: the French and... everyone else?


Why does that sound familiar? lol. :D


(Only joking! I admire and respect the French et parlez (Petit mal) francais aussi!)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:01 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Mar. 27 2008,12:21)
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So it looks like there are two main groups: the French and... everyone else?


Why does that sound familiar? lol. :D

Too funny. :laugh:

Hey, if we can get international cooperation on the rules I am all for it.  I just don't see it happening, nor do I think it is essential. Don't think I am trying to isolate the French.  I like them... Nobody plays the Necrons more than they do. :)

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Essential no, but I don't think that we shouldn't at least try to get a single set of rules.  I still think a line of communication should be set up.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:58 am 
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Hmm, how does the first sentence of teleport sound to you:

2.1.17 Teletrasport
Truppi li kapaci jitteletrasportaw jitfaccaw ghall-gharrieda fuq il-kamp tal-battalja ghax ghandhom makkinarju jew sharijiet li jhalluhom imorru minn post ghall-iehor f'salt; jew inkella ghax tant jinqalghu biex jinhbew li jfeggu ghall-gharrieda bhallikieku gew mix-xejn.

actually it probably sounds really cool . :)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:59 am 
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Hmm, how does the first sentence of teleport sound to you:

2.1.17 Teletrasport
Truppi li kapaci jitteletrasportaw jitfaccaw ghall-gharrieda fuq il-kamp tal-battalja ghax ghandhom makkinarju jew sharijiet li jhalluhom imorru minn post ghall-iehor f'salt; jew inkella ghax tant jinqalghu biex jinhbew li jfeggu ghall-gharrieda bhallikieku gew mix-xejn.

actually it probably sounds really cool . :)

(and even Maltese if Vanvlak has the time and desire :p )

Careful guys, you might get me tempted - imagine, the very first set of wargaming rules in Maltese! :cool:  :p

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As I have always said, good on the French for actually doing something rather than the nothing. Talk's easy, at least they produced concrete results.

Specialist games should have the new FAQ link fixed soon. Then the NetERC can use that and the errata as a basis for a new project. Hopefully the French jump on board, but frankly I don't think that is likely.  A Jervis edition of the EA Handbook 2008 will also be ready soon and put up in the vault.

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Looks to me as though the French (or at least the French epic players that *we* know about) are quite happy doing their own thing.

Do they have a desire for a unified anglo-franch ruleset? If not, I think the best we can do is to crib ideas of each other.

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?A Jervis edition of the EA Handbook 2008 will also be ready soon and put up in the vault.

Given that this "fixes" the rules, and is unlikely to need any further changes, the next step should be to sort out the army lists.

How easy would it be to provide an agreed set of changes needed for each list, starting with the "official" lists? I know there is a set of changes for the Siegies and there were a few for the Orks, and Marines etc.

Could we get the nominated champions to post the currently proposed changes and then cut out those changes that prove controversial so we end up with a list of "agreed" changes to be sent to JJ, Andy et al?

I don't know how long it will take SG to fix things and post the revised online rule set, but if we can do this in a similar timeframe (say by the end of June this year?) then I hope they will be prepared to review and post the revisions to the army lists as well.

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(Markconz @ Mar. 28 2008,09:43)
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As I have always said, good on the French for actually doing something rather than the nothing. Talk's easy, at least they produced concrete results.

Specialist games should have the new FAQ link fixed soon. Then the NetERC can use that and the errata as a basis for a new project. Hopefully the French jump on board, but frankly I don't think that is likely.  A Jervis edition of the EA Handbook 2008 will also be ready soon and put up in the vault.

Link has been fixed

[EDIT] Just looked and I can't see any mention of scout intermingling. There is an FAQ entry that could be read to allow movement through ZOC to charge formations though!






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(Markconz @ Mar. 28 2008,09:43)
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A Jervis edition of the EA Handbook 2008 will also be ready soon and put up in the vault.

Given that this "fixes" the rules, and is unlikely to need any further changes, the next step should be to sort out the army lists.

How easy would it be to provide an agreed set of changes needed for each list, starting with the "official" lists? I know there is a set of changes for the Siegies and there were a few for the Orks, and Marines etc.

Could we get the nominated champions to post the currently proposed changes and then cut out those changes that prove controversial so we end up with a list of "agreed" changes to be sent to JJ, Andy et al?

I don't know how long it will take SG to fix things and post the revised online rule set, but if we can do this in a similar timeframe (say by the end of June this year?) then I hope they will be prepared to review and post the revisions to the army lists as well.

I believe that as far as Jervis is concerned, this is the army list review. There will be no more changes considered.

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While I agree that it is evidently the intention to treat this as the "final" revision process, I did not think it was complete yet because of the apparent intention to amend the online text. ?

It seems that JJ is prepared to accept revisions to the wording in the Errata, so I thought there might be a small window of opportunity to correct the army lists as well. After all it would be a pity if the rules were finished while the army lists had significant problems; especially if we already had agreed fixes available. Hence the suggestion that IMHO we need to draw up the changes for each army list ASAP.

If we can do this now, at least it gives JJ the opportunity to review them and put them up on the SG site. This activity needs to be done anyway if we are to make progress; it would just be so much better IMHO if we could get everything into one central point.

Note, I also believe that any army list change proposed must have unanimous support (at the very least by the leading authorities in the community). Any proposed change that is still being disputed will probably be rejected automatically, and may cast doubt on the other proposals. This is why I think we need to get the changes for each list posted in the relevant army folder to prove that the community does indeed accept them as needed. (unless you can think of a better approach :) )





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unless you can think of a better approach


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Jervis has essentially killed the living rule book idea with the 'closure' of the Epic rules. ?He had the entire 2008 Handbook and knew exactly what the community was proposing, so I can't imagine him saying, "Oh, well maybe I was wrong to discount all these other changes" and push them through. ?There was a time when I would have given him the benefit of the doubt but no longer. ?

Ginger, you are a swell guy but lay off the drugs. :p

EDIT: Seriously though, Ginger, with the energy you put into trying to make things official you could power Atlanta.  I wish I could convince you to redirect your energy, come over to the dark side (insert Darth Vader noise here) and help on some Epic projects like Pixelgeek's ruleset.  Heck, if I had you working on Raiders it would have been done 4 months ago... with a movie to go with it. :D





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While I agree that it is evidently the intention to treat this as the "final" revision process, I did not think it was complete yet because of the apparent intention to amend the online text.  

It seems that JJ is prepared to accept revisions to the wording in the Errata, so I thought there might be a small window of opportunity to correct the army lists as well. After all it would be a pity if the rules were finished while the army lists had significant problems; especially if we already had agreed fixes available. Hence the suggestion that IMHO we need to draw up the changes for each army list ASAP.

If we can do this now, at least it gives JJ the opportunity to review them and put them up on the SG site. This activity needs to be done anyway if we are to make progress; it would just be so much better IMHO if we could get everything into one central point.

Note, I also believe that any army list change proposed must have unanimous support (at the very least by the leading authorities in the community). Any proposed change that is still being disputed will probably be rejected automatically, and may cast doubt on the other proposals. This is why I think we need to get the changes for each list posted in the relevant army folder to prove that the community does indeed accept them as needed. (unless you can think of a better approach :) )

A cut down list of changes that are not even debated you mean? Stuff like deathstrikes. Why don't you go through and make up an initial list double quick and post it for comments seeing as you know the UK tourni guys, many of whom seem against very many of the changes.  Even if it doesn't do anything it will be helpful for the NetERC.

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A cut down list of changes that are not even debated you mean? Stuff like deathstrikes. Why don't you go through and make up an initial list double quick and post it for comments seeing as you know the UK tourni guys, many of whom seem against very many of the changes. ?Even if it doesn't do anything it will be helpful for the NetERC.
Yes, I am thinking of a "cut down" list of stuff for each army, like Deathstrikes, Warhounds etc. presented with minimal debate. However, while I may be 'energetic', I don't consider myself as the right person to judge which changes are the major ones for each army - heck I am not even an army champ :p .

I keep saying that IMHO for this to succeed, it must be seen to be presented as a united, "community" effort, endorsed by the leading lights of the community. I think it likely that JJ, Andy and the others rejected most of the list changes out of hand because there were just too many, they appeared too 'fiddly' and were not sufficiently justified / acceptable. Conversely the majority of rule changes were accepted because there were a smaller number of clearly presented changes.

While I understand that they had the entire Handbook, (possibly the highlighted version), it is a lot harder to follow the changes in the small unit stat details than the rules texts.

So, what I think we need to do is to make it easier for JJ and the others to understand and review. For example, for each Race/list I think we should ?present the detailed changes, each with a one sentence justification together with the amended army list. Also, perhaps we could do this in smaller packages of a few lists at a time to avoid overwhelming them (which incidentally would also give a little more time where needed).

Finally, we are going to have to do something like this anyway for the NetEA process, but it will also serve to focus the community and bring the disparate groups a little closer together.

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