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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It?  Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 12:34 pm |
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I must admit that I have not looked at the Chaos list in the Epic Vault for a while, and I assumed that the Black Legion list was in addition to the Chaos one. But, I just had a look and it replaces the original list!
What happened to the beastmen, the cultists, the Land Transporters and everything else. Why did the Chaos list change so completely and dramatically? I am starting to feel that many of the lists are making/have made radical changes with no real reason for it.
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 1:28 pm |
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Hi!
Things like beastmen, minotaurs and trolls seem to have been relegated to fantasy and are being removed from Epic. I don't like the changes much either but it falls into place with GW's trends of late. I think chaos will become like SM with a touch of demons. Boring.
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 2:24 pm |
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Chaos is being split into two lists.
The old list had so many formations and units that Jervis broke it into two lists. The first will be the Black Legion list that represents Abbadon's "Black Legion." This list will be more about the Chaos Marines or "SM with a touch of demons" as Primarch put it.
The second will be the "Lost and the Damned" list. It will have more things like the cultists and the daemon engines in it.
Jervis has aslo said by doing this split it will allow him to make some new models for both lists. I do not know if this is a good thing or not as I do not play chaos.
Here is a post where Jervis talks about it:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/40kuniv...._ID=868
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:03 pm |
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While I agree that the units that make up a CSM list are like "SMs plus demons," they play differently. ?There is a thread on the playtest board about this even as we speak.
Basically, SMs are faster, have independent fire support, and most importantly, They Shall Know No Fear. CSMs have larger formations of combined arms.
It's possible to take nearly identical lists, but it's also possible to take selections that play very differently and cannot be duplicated by the other.
That said, I strongly dislike the current chaos list for its' lack of character. Black Legion/Abaddon sucks rocks. I may even be tempted to write up a Thousand Sons fan list. 
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:17 pm |
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Any idea when the 'Lost and the Damned' will surface?
I was planning something special based on it and would really like to see it again. I like the idea of a combined arms force, with a little of everything for Chaos.
I was planning two Chaos forces anyway, one Marine heavy and one with a lot of different stuff, so I guess that this suits me. I just wanted the cultist one first! ?
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:34 pm |
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:45 pm |
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CyberShadow
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:51 pm |
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So, does this mean that if I put together something (both minis and new rules) based on the previous Chaos list, it will all meet up in the end anyway?
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:55 pm |
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| Quote (krimsonstarr @ 08 2003 July,07:45) | IIRC Jervis has mentioned the development of Traitor Legion specific army lists, such as Death Guard. ? ? |
I had forgotten this. So in a way there will be three Chaos lists by the time Jervis is done.
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 5:14 pm |
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Again, as we said before - this is still a work in progress. He may make a list like he did for SM, IG, & Ork models that were dropped ? Like Thud Guns, M/mortars, Gorgans etc.?
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:18 pm |
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>> So in a way there will be three Chaos lists by the time Jervis is done.
The plan is to put out the core armies every 6 months, and modified lists for different factions in Firepower, but not on a set schedule.
So, there will be lots of army lists, supposedly at least 5 CSM:
Feral orks (Boarz and Weirdboyz - yay!)
Eldar - Ulthwe, Alaitoc, etc.
CSM - Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, possibly more
SM - DA, BA, SW, etc.
They're supposed to have minor differences in organization and possibly a handful of special units/rules.
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 10:17 pm |
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| Quote (CyberShadow @ 09 2003 July,01:51) | | So, does this mean that if I put together something (both minis and new rules) based on the previous Chaos list, it will all meet up in the end anyway? |
In due course, the cultists will be back (Huzzah!) so they should meet up and you wont have wasted you time...in the end 
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:07 pm |
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Hell, I am going to do my own thing and put a force together using the older lists. Thanks guys.
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Tas
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:02 am |
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| Quote (CyberShadow @ 09 2003 July,08:07) | | Hell, I am going to do my own thing and put a force together using the older lists. Thanks guys. |
It wont be wasted work. My gut feeling is that when they do appear, they will be very simialr to what was previously available. Its just that JJ didnt have the time now to fully chnage, modify and incorporate the good ideas on them...sadly
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Post subject: E-A Chaos List - What Happened to It? Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:25 am |
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Neal,
The plan is to put out the core armies every 6 months, and modified lists for different factions in Firepower, but not on a set schedule.
So, there will be lots of army lists, supposedly at least 5:
Feral Orks - (Boarz and Weirdboyz - yay!)
Eldar - Ulthwe, Alaitoc, etc.
CSM - Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, possibly more...
SM - DA, BA, SW, etc.
They're supposed to have minor differences in organization and possibly a handful of special units/rules. |
Thanks for the news.
Shalom,
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?I can't say that I really like the Black Legion list either for a number of reason already mentioned here and on the E:A forum.
