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Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex |
the problem with this approach is that what you think is "best" is not what I think is "best" nor is necessarily "best" if of course we can define "best". One of the "best" things about Epic40K for *ME* was the simplicity of the system and how everything was based on strategic detachments rather than individualising units - I had no problems with the fact that all Ork battlewagons (regardless of model) were the same as I felt the Ork detachment was important rather than an individual Bowelburna - my units didn't need to be differentiated within the rules even if the models were differentiated. I know that a lot of Epic players (old and new) do want more differentiated units and think that individualising and adding detail to units is the "best" way of going about this - I don't, we are never going to agree. I feel like we have a new Epic, and they are some things that keep it from being awesome to me. |
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Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:43 pm Posts: 7925 Location: New Zealand |
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Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA |
Agreed, sometimes I'm too hard on poor ol' Jervis. You are correct in your observation since I have seen this comment on the posts of those people you have mentioned and only remember Jervis's "immediate negative response" regarding the OOP models. Unfortunately it seems they have taken that one instance and have run with it extending it to issues they may not fancy. You gotta really take pity on Jervis's position... ...damned if you do, damned if you don't! Primarch. |
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Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA |
I think that your participation as well as the participation of the others on this list, Epic40k.co.uk, with the E-A Playtest forums may indeed bring about the change you seek if you keep up the renewed presence and activity you are showing now. Primarch. |
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Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA |
Fair enough, I'll now switch my efforts and target Gandalf! Seriously though, the point should be heeded. I suspect that the problem will in time heal itself and things will get back on track. Hopefully all the banter will have pointed out the problem and now all parties will work to correct it. Jeez, I'm in a chipper mood today, eh? See! I told ya I'd open my goodwill six-pack! Primarch. |
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Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA |
Oh I indeed DO know how rare it is, very VERY rare. As I mentioned before, this topic would have gone "grade A ballistic" anywhere else but here. I find my participation here valuable, precisely because there ARE dissenting opinions and views. It makes me think and reassess my notions regarding the game and realize that everything has value whether what you or I may think at the time is or is not that great. If we all agreed on everything, it be one boring place! And where's the fun it that? ? Primarch. |
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Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA |
Jimbo brings a point I have thought about for some time and that is of course "different strokes for different folks", but also that we should assume that the only sides in epic are "old school" and "new wave". There are a lot of epic players like Jimbo who were perfectly fine with epic40k and we should assume that this group will "automatically" convert or like the new version. They may not be as vocal as the old hands, but I have heard quite a few gamers say they were quite please with epic40k and find the heavier detailing unnesseary. Goes to show that there are indeed may "strata" of tastes in epic. You can please some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time!!! |
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